Is it correct to say Robertson agreed with Falwell about gays...

being punished for 9-11? Wasn't he sitting there nodding his head?

JERRY FALWELL: And, I know that I'll hear from them for this. But, throwing God out successfully with the help of the federal court system, throwing God out of the public square, out of the schools. The abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked. And when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad. I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way--all of them who have tried to secularize America--I point the finger in their face and say "you helped this happen."

PAT ROBERTSON: Well, I totally concur, and the problem is we have adopted that agenda at the highest levels of our government. And so we're responsible as a free society for what the top people do. And, the top people, of course, is the court system.

JERRY FALWELL: Pat, did you notice yesterday the ACLU, and all the Christ-haters, People For the American Way, NOW, etc. were totally disregarded by the Democrats and the Republicans in both houses of Congress as they went out on the steps and called out on to God in prayer and sang "God Bless America" and said "let the ACLU be hanged"? In other words, when the nation is on its knees, the only normal and natural and spiritual thing to do is what we ought to be doing all the time--calling upon God.

PAT ROBERTSON: Amen!

http://www.beliefnet.com/story/87/story_8770_1.html

clue me into what their problem with feminists are? Besides reproductive rights? I don't mean to sound dense, but I really hadn't read that quote closely until just now and I didn't realize they had issues with feminists per sea, basically reproductive rights, family values, blah blah blah. Are these people calling for the open literal opression of women a la taliban?

--man is to wife as Christ is to church (also Paul, I think)

--women not to speak in church (Paul?)

--Genesis--woman a helpmeet of man

Carter left the so bapt church because of its takeover by the far right and its recent very hardline view of women and their permitted roles in society and the congregation.

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What does the "Christian" rightwing have against feminists? To be succinct, I'll give you the short answer: everything.

Want the long answer too? Okay.

The "Christian" rightwing, e.g., The Southern Baptist Convention (SBC)(the Baptist schism that left the national Baptist organization in 1848 b/c it believed slave-owners had a right to own slaves as property and insisted upon teaching that as a religious tenet in their missionary work) believes that women particularly their wives are subordinate to their husbands and must obey their husbands in all matters. On the other hand, feminists believe that they are equal to their husbands. "Christian" rightwingers believe that feminists are the cause of the break-up of traditional families since wives no longer remain at home to be homemakers and raise the children exclusively. They also believe that feminists are the cause of so-called "non-traditional" families, i.e., families that no longer have "one man and one woman plus children" as the nucleus of the family. They blame feminists for the divorce rate in America (despite the Bible Belt having the highest divorce rate in the country). They blame the crime rate on feminists b/c it is they, feminists, who have "broken 'traditional' families" that cause criminal behavior (again, despite the Bible Belt being one of America's most violent areas of the country).

The list is endless. Just endless. As any good psychology or sociology undergraduate coursework teaches . . . in order to keep your ducks in a row, make sure you cause fear, and demonize another group other than yourself to blame for the perceived wrongs in life. Hitler did it. Stalin did it too. As do the strident, demonizing, non-Christian "Christian" rightwingers!

One last note - no the SBC never reconciled its organization with the rest of the Baptists across America, nor has the SBC rescinded its stupidity about slavery. Of if they have, it's only been recently in it's tawdry history. Radical televangelists such as Pat Robertson and others as well as Jerry Falwell spew the same hate and discontent and are considered to be rightwing fundamentalist evangelical "Christians."

Not all evangelicals are strident and hateful as are the rightwingers who seem to have the Republican Party in their pocket.


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yourself re Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell blaming 9-11 on gays, "abortionists," feminists, etc., etc.


Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson
PLACING BLAME for 9-11-01
http://cronus.com/images/jerry_falwell_patty_robertson.mp3

Falwell: "I really believe that the pagans and
the abortionists and the feminists and the gays
and the lesbians . . . ACLU (and the) People for
the American Way, all of them who try to secularize
America -- I point the finger in their face and
say 'you helped this (9-11-01) happen.' "

Robertson: "I totally concur. . . . We have adopted that
agenda at the highest levels of our government . . .
and the top people is, of course, the court system ."

http://cronus.com/images/jerry_falwell_patty_robertson.mp3



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gay people and feminists. I'm not sure on his position on gay people as the invisible hand behind 911, or Tinky Winky's sexual preference, but I have no doubt his views on those issues are very interesting.

and he prayed Hurricane Gloria away from his Virginia Beach media complex, and the Regents University he founded. That God moved Gloria then inland on Long Island killing 6 folks must have been
Fire Island getting it's due (but I don't think it was gays who
died there!)

Luckily, there are no gay people or feminists in the Virginia Beach area, or God would have had to regretfully refuse Pat's request.

stated that the fires ravaging across Florida a few years ago were God's punishment for Michael Eisner, CEO of Disney, hiring gays as employees, granting gay employees equal benefit packages as heterosexual employees, and generally speaking to be underneath those Mickey costumes! Initially, the "Christian" rightwing Southern Baptist Convention boycotted Walt Disney goods, movies, Disneyworld, etc., but without much successful. After all, how do you keep a kid away from Donald Duck and Mickey Mouse? LOL

I've often mused that if God caused the fires in Florida as Falwell/Robertson stated, then what or who "caused" these recent and past hurricanes upon FL? The debacle of the y2k presidential election in FL against Al Gore?



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