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Francine Frensky Donating Member (870 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 12:26 PM
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I need ideas! I have a list of 140 undecided women, moms, "soccer" moms
I have their phone number and address and I've been assigned by my local democratic to "work" this list. I have to call them, but I am finding most don't anwer the phone, and I'm not leaving messages because I don't have a good idea of what to say to convince them in 20 seconds to not just erase the message.

This is Georgia, this is suburban Atlanta, these are all moms with children... I think I may call next week during the week, since most moms are really busy during the week-end....

but I wonder what I can say, in short? Any great ideas??

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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 12:28 PM
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1. As a mom/teacher myself, No Child Left Behind really ticks me off
We are underfunding kids and teaching them how to take tests, not how to get jobs or go to a do well in college.
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 08:36 PM
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36. ...and handing over their names, addresses and telephone numbers
to recruiters. This is a sleeper provision of NCLB, and it's bullshit.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 12:30 PM
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2. I emailed your question to a soccer mom I know.
I'll get back to you when I hear from her. But she's probably at a game or something right now.
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holiday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 12:34 PM
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4. well
well I'm a mother to three small children. And I'm trying to think what appeals to me about Kerry as a mothers view? There is that website mothers for kerry. that may give you some ideas.

I would say that the education is a big thing. Let them know that Bush seriously underfunded the schools. My children's school is trying to pass a levy so bad and the superintendent said it was because of no child left behind.

Let them know that Bush's policies has put us more in danger. especially with terrorists. and with no allies, our military stretched thin and a record breaking deficit how are we suppose to defend ourselves?



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demgrrrll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 12:34 PM
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5. If you received your list from the Kerry campaign headquarters they
have a plan for your situation. Call the person who gave you the list and ask about the plan for undecided voters.
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Francine Frensky Donating Member (870 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 01:09 PM
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22. They gave me a general script, if we start talking, but what
I really want is a catchy way to get them talking, maybe a 20 second thing I could leave on their phone answering machine.

I'm planning to call during the week, during the day, when their hubby's aren't home, because I do know some moms who feel pressured by their husbands to be republican, but might talk more freely during the daytime.

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-04 03:18 AM
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Jersey Devil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 12:32 PM
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3. Ask them if they want their kids drafted to fight in *'s neverending wars
I would not make any claim that Bush supports a draft, but a strong argument can be made that if the neocons are permitted to continue with their agenda of worldwide domination sooner or later a draft will be a necessity no matter who is president. You could point out how it is rapidly becoming clear that without a draft there will not be enough man(woman)power to man the armed forces - signs already exist like stop-loss orders, 2nd and even 3rd tours in Afghanistan and Iraq, 50+ aged reservists being called up for active duty (heck, there was a story yesterday about a 70 year old being called up).

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Al Finney Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-04 03:20 AM
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51. The Draft
Didn't they try to get it started just recently with a piece of legislation that didn't pass?
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-04 06:15 AM
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56. WRONG
that was Rep. Rangel's protest bill (HR 163) that called for drafting men and women equally, with no loopholes for the rich and well-connected or college students. It was strictly to bring the fact to the front that people like GWBush were able to avoid getting drafted during Vietnam by pulling strings to get cushy National Guard duty, or by staying in college.

There are however very real Skills and Medical Drafts being quietly put through. Click the Alert image in my sig line for more info.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 12:36 PM
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6. Speak about what's improtant to you
And tie it into the Kerry message. Tell people why you support Kerry. Close it with Stronger at home and more respected in the world. Find a way to work that in.
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Mizmoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 12:36 PM
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7. As a "soccer mom" myself, I'm frightened by the draft
and I don't believe a word out of the Chimp Admin's mouth about no risk of one coming. They lie like rugs.
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RedEarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 12:37 PM
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8. Mention health care and environmental issues(mercury, air and water)
several articles on DU dealing with high mercury levels...
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wildflower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 12:39 PM
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9. There are a couple of sites on security moms for Kerry...check this
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 12:50 PM
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13. Great site, isn't it? nt
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bluedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 12:40 PM
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10. give them the list
of differences between bush and kerry in their campaign.example overtime pay.health care.
let them watch 9-11....and 140 people seems like they are totally in a fog somewhere..........are you sure they are voting at all?.or are they putting you on and really have decided and trying to "bait" you
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KC21304 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 12:49 PM
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11. Tell them to think long and hard about entrusting
their children's lives to an administration which with one stroke of a pen let the 70 worst polluting companies off the hook, which means today's children have a 30% chance of having autistic or learning disabled children. And because of Bush's diverting of troops and resources from getting the real perpetrators of 9/11, he is creating more terrorists every day which makes the US and the whole world much more dangerous. And he can never admit when he is wrong so we will stay on this reckless, dangerous course.


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Hot Water Donating Member (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 02:20 PM
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28. Tell them
George Bush is asking you to vote for him because he can keep you safe. But who was the president when the World Trade Towers were attacked? This is one month after his intelligence gives him a report with a headline that says, "Bin Laden determined to attack within the United States." He doesn't want you to remember that.
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-04 06:45 AM
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57. Mention RFK Jr.'s
book about the environment, and the levels of mercury in our bodies. 30% autistic or learning disabled children.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 12:49 PM
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12. "Security Moms for John Kerry"
Chock full of exceptional talking points and wonderful photos.

Go there, take notes; WIN THEM OVER!

http://www.securitymomsforkerry.com/
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Francine Frensky Donating Member (870 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 01:23 PM
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24. Great site!
Thanks so much.
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Iceburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-04 03:48 AM
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54. Thanks for the link -- very compelling personal stories
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Onlooker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 12:52 PM
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14. How about something like this?
Since George Bush got elected, politics has turned Americans against each other. That's why we need someone else in the White House.
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Iceburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-04 03:49 AM
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55. He didn't get elected ... he was appointed by "activist" Judges
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alcuno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 12:53 PM
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15. IMHO - Women need to see why they should bond with other women.
The truth is that a bunch of men have screwed this whole country up, but I really don't know how to say that in a nice way.

I would say something like, "Women see the real threats to this country: an increasingly isolationist foreign policy, 45 million Americans without healthcare and skyrocketing costs for the rest of us, an increased number of babies and children living below the poverty line, excessive testing used to measure your child's performance, and unmanageable college tuition hikes." Yet we're told to "stay the course." We've all been stuck in a car with a man who refused to stop and get directions. It's not pretty.
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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 12:53 PM
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16. Do you live near them?
Whatever else you may decide to say, be sure to include (if accurate) that you are a neighbor, maybe even saying something like, "This is your neighbor Francine from over on Decatur Drive. I'm calling some of my neighbors today..." Emphasize that you are a neighbor. I think knowing that you're not some paid out-of-state operative will help.
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Francine Frensky Donating Member (870 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 01:24 PM
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25. Thank you, great tip.
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SW FL Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 01:00 PM
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17. As a mom - my 20 second message would be
The reason I am voting for Kerry is that he gives me hope that the world will be a better place for my son to grow up in. He makes me feel safe and I believe he truly cares about me (i.e., the average American).

If I had more time, I would add something like this. We are NOT safer because of Bush's irresponsible actions in Iraq, the risk of terrorism in the US is much higher than before. No Child Left Behind - left my kid behind. My family's healthcare costs have gone up 40% - an increase that is due to the greedy insurance companies caring more about their stockholders than their insureds. Bush has created a deficit that will have to be paid by my son and his children. There is no chance our kids will be able to live the American Dream unless we cut the deficit. By signing the corporate tax giveaway yesterday, Bush showed that he will continue to raid the public coffers for more favors for his wealthy friends and donors.
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Hot Water Donating Member (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 08:06 PM
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29. Also, I think most answering machines are set for a little longer
than a 20 second message.
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 01:02 PM
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18. Bush is bankrupting your children's future n/t
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Plaid Adder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 01:05 PM
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19. you might check out a blog called "Mothers in the Middle"
I dont' have the URL but Google would hand it to you. I found it because someone had passed along one of my columns there.

C ya,

The Plaid Adder
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 01:05 PM
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20. There is a link where you can watch "Going Up River" without downloading
it - you can stream it. I would give them that link. That is how I watched it and you definitely have a greater respect for Kerry as a person after seeing it.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 01:06 PM
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21. That Kerry was the FIRST lawmaker to go after terrorists' funding in 1988
and pursued their financial headquarters until it was closed in 1992. He was opposed by many Republicans at the time, especially the Bush1 administration who tried to cover up for BCCI and their criminal financier cronies. In 1996 he wrote a book called The New War which alerted the country to the dangers of global terrorism and exposed its funding. He was prescient.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 01:10 PM
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23. Read off the 10 reasons to Vote for Kerry from the link in my sig...
:D
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bluedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 01:36 PM
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26. found this test while running our papers

Miami Herald

BUSH VS. KERRY


Undecided? Take this quiz

BY LENORE SKENAZY



Still undecided about President Bush vs. John Kerry? Take this quiz.
Just check the statements that you agree with:

On homeland security:

• We are winning the war on terrorism, even though the State
Department reports that the number of significant terrorist attacks
last year was at a 21-year high.

• Spending $145 billion in Iraq makes more sense than spending $2
billion to inspect for nuclear weapons all containers coming into our
ports.

• Our country's chemical plants should not be forced to secure
themselves against terrorist attack.

On the economy:

• I don't mind that black household income has declined $2,045 since
2000 because I am not black.

• I don't mind that Hispanic household income has declined by $2,432
because I'm not Hispanic.

• I don't mind that across-the-board Americans are taking home $1,535
less a year because I don't have a job at all!

On the war:

• Despite the independent, bipartisan 9/11 Commission's determining
that there was no collaboration between Saddam Hussein, a secular
dictator, and Osama bin Laden, an Islamic terrorist, we still had to
oust Hussein.

On the vice president:

• The fact that Halliburton paid Dick Cheney a $20 million retirement
bonus for just five years of work had nothing to do with its
subsequently receiving between $7 billion and $11 billion worth of
no-bid contracts in Iraq.

On taxes:

• Bush's tax cuts meant to spur the economy will do just that, even
though so far they have coincided with the loss of one million jobs.

On Medicare:

• Bush's Medicare plan makes it illegal for the government to
negotiate the price of prescription drugs I think that's good economics.

On Social Security:

• I don't mind that Bush is diverting $1.4 trillion from this fund to
pay for other programs.

On government spending:

• I don't mind that we have gone from a $236 billion surplus to a $422
billion deficit in four years.

On education:

• Government tries to do too much. Kudos to the president for cutting
vocational ed by $316 million and for killing the $247 million ''Even
Start'' literacy program that the first lady liked.

On the possibility of a nuclear attack:

• Because we don't know what to do about North Korea's nukes, it's
best to ignore them.

On the environment:

• By allowing the mining industry to dump more waste in local
waterways, the administration is helping business, and that is good for
America.

On reality checks:

• America is planting the seeds of democracy in the Mideast even
though, at the moment, the hottest bootleg videos in Baghdad feature
American beheadings.

If you checked anything, Bush is your man!

What our U.S. President BuSh did after hearing the U.S. was under attack on 9-11 (2nd WTC bombing and 2 more hijacked planes missing): "The - Pet - Goat. A - girl - got - a - pet - goat. But - the - goat - did - some - things - that - made - the - girl's - dad - mad."
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bush equals idiot Donating Member (757 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 01:51 PM
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27. I was in advertising for years. Very difficult advertising to sell.
Twenty seconds is a very short time. Anything you say which is perceived as all you are doing is giving me anti-Bush propaganda because you don't want me to vote for him, will be treated as just that.

People by nature don't like to think they're making the wrong decision. Likewise most people also do not respond to pressure. In fact they just become more stubborn in their own position. When you appear as though you're trying to pressure somebody into something, you become somebody who is trying to talk them into something because there's a reward in it for you. Not that you're interested in what's best for them.

It's as basic as a cat and a ball of yarn. If you push the yarn at the cat, it only backs away. It's totally uninterested. The only way you can get the cat to play with the yarn, is to pull it away. This concept is almost universally inherent in people. We want to make our "purchase" when we feel we're ready and feel it was our decision.

Therefore my technique would be to befriend them and let them know, we respect the decision they are making. Tell them, we know it is hard to sort through all the rhetoric. Say, I'm a mom (if you are). And whatever it is, we're sure they want to make the right decision for their children, just as everyone does. We feel George Bush is not that man. The country has suffered historic, unprecedented setbacks under George Bush. He is interested only in power, not people. You may not be aware, but only about 15% of all the countries in the world want him to be re-elected. This is a fact. Only 15%. Iran is one of them. All we ask is that you please think carefully if you intend to vote for George Bush. Please at least know the facts. Once he is given four more years, it's too late to be wrong. I wish you the very best regardless of your decision. Then, finish with I'll leave you one website you may check with if you like. Thank you and very best of luck to you.

Hopefully they will then feel, well that was a nice call. Maybe I should look into this. It is your best shot I promise you.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 08:09 PM
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30. Start with something about yourself
Seriously. Personalize it from the start, especially if you're leaving a message.

"I'm a ..... from.... and for the first time in my life, I've decided to volunteer for a campaign this year because..."

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cheshire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 08:12 PM
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31. How much do they pay in after school programs.?How much do parents and
teacher pay in out of pocket expenses for their childs schooling?How are they paying for college? How are they explaining war to these children?
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 08:18 PM
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32. Talk about what Kerry has done to fight terrorism
Tell the women that Kerry shut down a criminal banking network in the 1990s that funded terrorism. His efforts as a senator protected the United States from possible attacks prior to 9/11. You can get more details from the campaign office or the Kerry website. Look for BCCI.

My sisters-in-law are moms living in suburban Atlanta, and I know how they think. A lot of soccer moms are worried about security.

If you need to go negative on shrub, talk about how he failed to protect us from 9/11 and then tried to block the 9/11 commission. Talk about how he ignored the President's Daily Briefing that told him in no uncertain terms that Osama was planning to highjack airplanes and use them as missiles against buildings in the U.S. continued his vacation for another month.
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kevinam Donating Member (475 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 08:25 PM
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33. yes, yes, yes!!!!!
Tell them, when they are standing in the booth, deciding who can best protect America...That the current administration told her, she can protect her family, by wrapping her windows in duct tape and plastic wrap. That is proof positive that the Bush* administration is not capable of protecting us...Kevin.
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Princess Buttercup Donating Member (71 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 08:28 PM
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34. I hate the term "soccer moms"
I also don't like "security moms." It's just trying to scare people. Our kids are more at risk from another student bringing a gun to school thanks to *'s NRA cronies and the lapsed assault weapons ban than they are from a terrorist attack. Our kids are more at risk for getting the flu this year because of *'s ineptness in the face of the vaccine shortage than from a terrorist attack. Or an attack by a pack of wolves, for that matter. No Child Left Behind is a joke.

I think if I were trying to work it into a sound bite I would take the suggestions to phrase it like someone said, that you're a mom (if you are), a neighbor, etc. and ask them what kind of a world they want their children to live in--one based on fear or hope? People who want you to walk around afraid that there is a terrorist or a wolf around every corner and to give up your rights and compromise your children's financial future do not have your children's best interests at heart.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-04 03:28 AM
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 08:32 PM
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35. how about....
....adding "I'll be home on Thursday afternoon (whatever) if you want to call me to talk some more."

Here's a point: Your children will be healthier if every other child has medical coverage, too. If we elect John Kerry, every American child will be able to see a doctor and get medicine when they need it.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 10:34 PM
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37. This is all my soccer mom said:
Her name is Alice, and her two sons both play soccer:

Well, she can't leave much of a message other than to say give your kids a better life - vote for Kerry.

Women voters, particularly in that stage of life, look at everything on a personal level. Who's going to provide the best schools, the best health care, etc.

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lolamio Donating Member (494 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-04 07:19 AM
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58. delete (posted in wrong place)
Edited on Sun Oct-24-04 07:21 AM by lolamio
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Darby Donating Member (484 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 11:38 PM
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38. Study finds number of abortions increasing - linked to econ/healthcare pol

Study Finds Abortion Rising Under Bush, Linked to Economic Policies
Wednesday October 13, 3:18 pm ET

WASHINGTON, Oct. 13 /PRNewswire/ -- An independent study by an ethics professor at Fuller Theological Seminary who is also trained in statistical analysis finds that, contrary to popular assumption, abortion has risen in the U.S. during George W. Bush's presidency and that the increase is linked to economic policy.

Under President Bush, the decade-long trend of declining abortion rates appears to have reversed," said Glen Stassen, Lewis B. Smedes Professor of Christian Ethics at Fuller Theological Seminary, a leading evangelical divinity school. Citing connections to rising unemployment and soaring healthcare costs, Stassen noted that "economic policy and abortion are not separate issues. They form one moral imperative."



"If we are to be truly pro-life, we must focus on real people and the conditions that lead women to seek abortions," said Wallis. "Jobs, healthcare, and a living income must be part of a pro-life agenda."

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/041013/dcw068_1.html
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Darby Donating Member (484 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-04 12:28 AM
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39. Mothers Opposing Bush - http://www.mob.org/
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Darby Donating Member (484 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-04 12:29 AM
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40. MOB's talking points are here: (a convenient list)
Edited on Sun Oct-24-04 12:31 AM by Darby
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-04 12:30 AM
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41. "Your children are safest when they have a future. George Bush is...
...mortgaging the future of our children. Please Vote for John Kerry on November 2nd. If you have any questions, please call me at...."

Start with, "Hello, ___. My name is ____. I'm a volunteer with the (County?) Democratic Party.
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-04 12:32 AM
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42. Bush signed an exec order raising the arsenic and cyanide levels
in water. This means the Bush administration decided their little soccer players could drink a little more poison to help out Bush's gold mining friends. This one of his first executive orders after taking office.
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-04 12:49 AM
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43. Sales 101
After introducing yourself and however you're stating your affiliation...

1. First, always start by asking how they are doing and how their day is going. (Opens a conversation) Ask if this is a good time/if they have a couple of minutes to talk. (Don't say 'bad' time)
2. Make a light-hearted remark--"Gosh, the trees are really gorgeous this year, don't you think?!?!" (throws them off, is non-threatening and helps bring guard down).
3. ASK what they think is most important in the electing the President. (Let them talk and ask leading questions. They will tell you what is most important with this question and you can build on it. It will also be efficient for being able to target where you need to go with the conversation)
4. Thank them for taking time from their busy schedule to speak with you and offer a way to reach you and be available if they have any questions.
5. One last thing...try to find something you can do for them that will make it a certainty they will vote. Do they need to know where their polling place is (give/get directions for them), do they need more information (have website information handy), do they need child care so they can go vote (suggest a friend or neighbor who has kids and tradeoff or go together with one watching the kids while the other votes). Be as helpful as you can. :)

Most of all, have a positive outlook with calling. Don't get discouraged. :)
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-04 01:29 AM
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44. moms also have parents/grandparents........W's Medicare disaster,
Edited on Sun Oct-24-04 01:30 AM by bobbieinok
cost of presecriptions

flu vacine problem for young children, elderly, ill......W's mismanagement, lack of care

what were the figures released about increase in nos of children below poverty line, without health insurance?????
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johan helge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-04 02:11 AM
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45. Tell them about Richard Clarke
Edited on Sun Oct-24-04 02:15 AM by johan helge
From
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/03/19/60minutes/main607356.shtml (the last part is very important) (see also http://www.pkarchive.org/column/032304.html):

Clarke was the president's chief adviser on terrorism, yet it wasn't until Sept. 11 that he ever got to brief Mr. Bush on the subject. Clarke says that prior to Sept. 11, the administration didn't take the threat seriously.

<..>

"There's a lot of blame to go around, and I probably deserve some blame, too. But on January 24th, 2001, I wrote a memo to Condoleezza Rice asking for, urgently -- underlined urgently -- a Cabinet-level meeting to deal with the impending al Qaeda attack. And that urgent memo-- wasn't acted on.

<..>

Clarke finally got his meeting about al Qaeda in April, three months after his urgent request. But it wasn't with the president or cabinet. It was with the second-in-command in each relevant department.

For the Pentagon, it was Paul Wolfowitz.

Clarke relates, "I began saying, 'We have to deal with bin Laden; we have to deal with al Qaeda.' Paul Wolfowitz, the Deputy Secretary of Defense, said, 'No, no, no. We don't have to deal with al Qaeda. Why are we talking about that little guy? We have to talk about Iraqi terrorism against the United States.'

"And I said, 'Paul, there hasn't been any Iraqi terrorism against the United States in eight years!' And I turned to the deputy director of the CIA and said, 'Isn't that right?' And he said, 'Yeah, that's right. There is no Iraqi terrorism against the United States."

<..>

By June 2001, there still hadn't been a Cabinet-level meeting on terrorism, even though U.S. intelligence was picking up an unprecedented level of ominous chatter.

The CIA director warned the White House, Clarke points out. "George Tenet was saying to the White House, saying to the president - because he briefed him every morning - a major al Qaeda attack is going to happen against the United States somewhere in the world in the weeks and months ahead. He said that in June, July, August."

Clarke says the last time the CIA had picked up a similar level of chatter was in December, 1999, when Clarke was the terrorism czar in the Clinton White House.

Clarke says Mr. Clinton ordered his Cabinet to go to battle stations-- meaning, they went on high alert, holding meetings nearly every day.

That, Clarke says, helped thwart a major attack on Los Angeles International Airport, when an al Qaeda operative was stopped at the border with Canada, driving a car full of explosives.

Clarke harshly criticizes President Bush for not going to battle stations when the CIA warned him of a comparable threat in the months before Sept. 11: "He never thought it was important enough for him to hold a meeting on the subject, or for him to order his National Security Adviser to hold a Cabinet-level meeting on the subject."

Finally, says Clarke, "The cabinet meeting I asked for right after the inauguration took place-- one week prior to 9/11."

<..>

Does Clarke think that Iraq, the Middle East and the world is better off with Saddam Hussein out of power?

"I think the world would be better off if a number of leaders around the world were out of power. The question is what price should the United States pay," says Clarke. "The price we paid was very, very high, and we're still paying that price for doing it."

"Osama bin Laden had been saying for years, 'America wants to invade an Arab country and occupy it, an oil-rich Arab country. He had been saying this. This is part of his propaganda," adds Clarke.

"So what did we do after 9/11? We invade an oil-rich and occupy an oil-rich Arab country which was doing nothing to threaten us. In other words, we stepped right into bin Laden's propaganda. And the result of that is that al Qaeda and organizations like it, offshoots of it, second-generation al Qaeda have been greatly strengthened."

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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-04 02:39 AM
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46. A few ideas off the top of my head
1. Something I said to an undecided who didn't know which candidate to believe: think about what Bush promised 4 years ago, and whether any of it came to pass. How does that make them feel about trusting him with a second chance.

2. Ask them which issue is most important to them. Start there. Then tell them what's important to you. Are you a mom too? Relate yourself to them as much as you can, and let them know why you feel good voting for Kerry.

3. Can you try a more face-to-face approach? How feasible is canvassing these people at their doors? It might have more of an impact.

4. What job do you do, or are you a stay at home mom? I've listened to nurses on the phone bank, and they talk so eloquently about health care.

5. Use us as needed for resources if the ladies ask you a question you can't answer right away. Don't be afraid to say you don't know but will get the information for them.

6. If they have a computer, tell them to go to www.kerryoniraqwar.com, a good source for understanding Kerry's stance on Iraq; or www.factcheck.org, an all-purpose truth-teller on both candidate's advertisements; and www.vote-smart.org, a good place to go for positions for both candidates. Study these sources yourself so that you can answer them intelligently on the issues.

7. If you can't canvass in person, maybe you could put together a Kerry info packet, and mail them to these ladies. Use www.johnkerry.com for position papers if need be, or one of the other sites if you see something you find esp. informative.

All I can think of for the moment.
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Robeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-04 02:44 AM
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47. Frighten Soccer Moms With The Draft....
...that'll scare them to death.
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Robert Oak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-04 02:50 AM
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48. Read them exerpts from Richard Clarke's book +
Edited on Sun Oct-24-04 03:00 AM by Robert Oak
1. "Did you know that in Iraq they secured the oil fields while
they left nuclear facilities unguarded?"
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/04/16/iraq/main612333.shtml

2. Members of bush's own staff have said the Iraq war has given
more power to Al Qeada that before 9/11 and right after.

3. Chechen rebels have crossed the Mexican border and are in this country while right now, Bush is fighting the 9/11 commission bill sitting in congress tooth and nail to stop legislation that secures our borders and tracks anyone trying to enter the country.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20041013-121643-5028r.htm

4. Anthrax attackes The Bush administration never caught whoever did it. Now we don't even have enough flu vaccine, imagine how well they would manage a full scale anthrax attack...can you say super drugs in short supply and can you say no super drugs for you or your children?

There are tons of these. they probably will say they don't believe
you so be prepared with a lot of references and websites they can go look it up, like ask them if they have an email address and email
them a list with links.

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Al Finney Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-04 03:12 AM
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49. Several Ideas
1.George Bush is only for corporate America and craps on those who need government funded stem cell research Like Chris Reeves, abortions, and free health care.

2. John Edwards, with John Kerry's leadership, will get health care costs under control even if he has to due it through the court system.

3.George Bush only appoints Uncle Toms to positions in his administrations instead of African Americans who really represent the African American community.

4.George Bush lied about WMDs in Iraq, that war is wrong and our kids are dying for nothing and in vain and should be brought home immediately before Bush gets us in a global nuclear war.

5.John Kerry knows how to stand up against war and how to stop the brutality of the kind we are imposing on the Iraqi people.
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cavanaghjam Donating Member (355 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-04 03:45 AM
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53. Don't trade our jobs
for cheap goods from China.

Don't sell your freedom
for false security.

Don't give away the sun of your children's tomorrows
so the rich can eat foie gras today.
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lolamio Donating Member (494 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-04 07:21 AM
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59. Talk about the legacy of debt this current administration will be leaving
I did a letter writing campaign with Move-on to voters in swing states, and I wrote about my concerns for my three children and the legacy of debt this administration will be leaving them. I also talked about the war, but I wrote a three page letter; however, if you need something concise, go for talking about the debt. As a mother, it infuriates me to think of the mess this current President will be leaving my children. (Well, there are many things that infuriate me about him, but the debt particularly pisses me off!)
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