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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-04 11:33 PM
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Looted 380 tons of explosives; sorry silly freepers, they AREN'T WMD
They were NOT on the prohibited list, they WERE under lock & key & fully monitored.

Until the incompetant bushboob.
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salvorhardin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-04 11:35 PM
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1. Nothing like cognitive dissonance
Edited on Sun Oct-24-04 11:36 PM by salvorhardin
Freepers have an amazing capacity to ignore facts.
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Quadrajet Donating Member (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-04 11:37 PM
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2. oh on the contrary...
They say "one of the purposes of the explosives was to IGNITE WMD'S!!!" Of course this doesn't equate to HAVING WMD's but in their twisted mind it somehow does.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-04 11:39 PM
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3. freeps can equate all they like, but those explosives WERE NOT WMD
But freeps like making themselves look like silly fools, so let em say whatever they like; even the media knows the facts on this one, though.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 07:43 AM
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14. Nuclear material was looted.
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-04 11:44 PM
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7. and aluminum soda cans can be recycled
into containers for WMDs! If you're into all that hippie recycling bullshit
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progdonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 12:17 AM
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10. a cigarette lighter...
...can ignite a stick of dynamite, so of course everyone with a lighter must have dynamite on them....
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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-04 11:39 PM
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4. Whether they're WMDs or not is not the point
The point is the Bush administration's incompetance. If Iraq was such a threat then it would have made sense to secure all known weapons caches whether they be WMDs or not. By not securing these they were allowed to fall into the hands of the insurgents. All we secured was Sadam's palaces and the oil ministry.

General Eric Shinseki warned the administration they would need more soldiers to secure Iraq. For his frankness he was retired early.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-04 11:42 PM
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5. Absolutely, but we've known this ever since May 2003.
It's been reported for 16 months that bush never ordered Iraq's nuclear facilities secured until the IAEA was forced to go public about it and that weapons caches weren't being guarded because,a s the US MILITARY THEMSELVES SAID LAST YEAR they don't have enough troops on the ground in Iraq to guard the weapons depots.

OLD STORY.

Nice the US media is FINALLY reporting on it. The world media has been doing so for over a year.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-04 11:44 PM
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6. Exactly! But the fact that is was TNT makes it even worse for Bush.
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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 12:01 AM
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8. On the bright side, there were only 0.35 kilotons of the stuff.
So it's hardly as if Bush lost an atomic bomb or something....
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 12:12 AM
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9. And the world really is overpopulated anyways...
So bush lost enough TNT to blow up 1 million jumbo jets. No biggie.

Too bad about the American men, women & teenagers being slaughtered in Iraq, though. bush and the freeping rightwingnuts don't give a damn about them.
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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 06:27 AM
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13. Oops I was wrong.
Larissa's citation below suggests that 650 thousand tons of other munitions was unsecured.

That's 650 kilotons, or about 50 Hiroshimas worth of unsecured munitions.
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bush equals idiot Donating Member (757 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 12:20 AM
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11. Do you know the absolute funniest part about it yet?
Bush still won't know. He don't read papers.:P
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 12:32 AM
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12. This story...
Has this story been mentioned on the news yet? I've only been able to find it on one place on the internet so far.. http://www.btcnews.com/btcnews/archives/00000767.html

What are the freepers claiming? ----> :silly:
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byronm Donating Member (376 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 07:46 AM
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15. How does
380 tons of explosives get up and walk away?
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 07:55 AM
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17. First an incompetant bushboob doesn't send enuf troops to secure the sites
Then the incompetant bushboob ignores all warnings since May 2003 that said unsecured sites are being looted.

Incompetant bushboob continues to insist no more troops are needed in Iraq, even while world media continues to report munitions depots being looted and the increasing deaths of American uniformed men, women & teenagers.

Incompetant bushboob then insists more troops WOULD be sent to Iraq IF military commanders asked for more...even tho IN FACT military commanders DID ask for more.

Incompetant bushboob continues to ignore military commanders and world media, IAEA and UN reports that unsecured munitions depots are being looted on a massive scale and is being used by the Iraqi minutemen to kill and maim our troops with.

And that is how 650,000 tons of munitions and 380 tons of high explosives have walked away.
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je11 Donating Member (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 07:54 AM
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16. Maybe this is a silly question..
How much mass must a weapon destruct before it is a weapon of mass destruction?
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 08:00 AM
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19. Only nukes are actually WMD
At this current point in time.

Chem & bio weapons COULD be a WMD if a nuclear warhead could be fitted with chem/bio agents. This isn't possible currently.

The explosives in this case are not "WMD", and they aren't on the prohibited list for Iraq. These explosives were monitored by the UN, meaning Iraq had to have valid reason & be given proper authority to use any of these explosives (demolition, etc).

Contrary to freeping rightwingnuts, Iraq IS ALLOWED to have weapons and explosives and tanks and etc. They've ALWAYS been allowed to have weapons for self-protection.

Anyhoo, technically, currently only nukes are "WMD".




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je11 Donating Member (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 08:15 AM
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21. I've always felt the term "mass destruction" was lame
Even a bullet destructs "some" mass. Why not just say "nukes" and forget WMD?
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 08:19 AM
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22. "WMD" is a UN term
Pros use the term ABC; atomic/bio/chemical.

The military uses the term NBC; nuclear/bio/chemical.

Neither uses the term "WMD".

Years ago the UN decided to lump all NBC together as "WMD".

bushCartel have taken massive advantage of this to call everything a "WMD", including airplanes. All part of their "be afraid" crap and lowering the bar to below sea-level.
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je11 Donating Member (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 08:51 AM
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26. does anybody use "CBS"?
or FOX=Weapon of Mass Deception
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 07:59 AM
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18. The Today Show reported this as "Oh by the way...."
After their campaign reports (about how Clinton's appearence could HURT Kerry and W flying into rally's in Marin One) and after the World Series game last night.
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 08:24 AM
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23. saw that- why did they even bother? Call it 'drive-by news'
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 08:03 AM
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20. So what...
Won't this be an even worse story for Bush. "United States loses the only stock piles of weapons found in Iraq". I do agree that they are not WMD's. Maybe a stockpile, but definetly not a threat.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 08:27 AM
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24. They also are not weapons; they're explosives.
They were not "found"; the UN KNEW about and MONITORED these explosives for YEARS. The UN TOLD BUSH about all the monitored munitions & explosives site and warned bush to secure them in the invasion.

And these explosives were not the only 'stockpile'; there are at least 50 known munitions depots the UN knew about & monitired before the invasion, with some 650,000 tons of munitions.

All of which bush left unsecured.

All of which have been looted.

All of which are currently being used to kill and maim American men, women & teenagers in Iraq.

Bottom line; bush KNEW these munitions & explosives were there, the UN told him BEFORE THE INVASION. bush was WARNED to secure these depots because AS ANY FOOL WOULD KNOW, they would otherwise be looted and used against our own troops and the world's media has reported CONSTANTLY SINCE MAY 2003 that these sites were unsecured & beign looted.

And in his total CRIMINAL NEGLIGANCE and INCOMPETANCE bush FAILED to heed the warnings and common sense and didn't send enough troops to secure the sites.


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ArkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 08:48 AM
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25. We won't be safe until the UN has control of all weapons and
explosives. There is no one else to trust!
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unfrigginreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 08:56 AM
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27. Stop fretting over this point
Edited on Mon Oct-25-04 09:01 AM by unfrigginreal
Let's not get bogged down in making this a story about whether they were WMD's or not. The story is that Bush and his cronies were responsible for securing a cache of bad stuff and they didn't.
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