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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 01:24 PM
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rndmprsn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 01:26 PM
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1. make them do their jobs!!!!
go biden....
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dennis4868 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 01:28 PM
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2. Huh.....
is Clinton back in the WH? Media doing their job? NO WAY!
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 01:30 PM
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3. Whatever - Biden Is A Liberal And That's Typical Talk From Them
Has anyone else encountered this amazing logic in their daily dealings with conservatives?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 01:32 PM
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 01:35 PM
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6. What is this "Logic" of which you speak?
Is it a Snare of Satan set to frustrate the Truthful Ones?
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 01:42 PM
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7. LOL! nt
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 06:39 PM
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18. Yes, I have
They argue ideology instead of facts.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 11:22 PM
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27. An oldie but a goodie, from The Daily Show a number of weeks back...

http://home.comcast.net/~krkaufman/Because_He_Says_So.wmv

It hits nicely on your "facts vs ideology" argument.
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elperromagico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 01:33 PM
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5. Just asking the media to do its job is a bridge too far.
Their current preoccupation is infotainment - has been for quite some time.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 01:44 PM
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8. I'm really digging Joe Biden lately. He's great! (eom)
NT
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Diana52 Donating Member (162 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 05:29 PM
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14. Joe Biden
Senator Biden was magnificent on CNN this morning. He absolutely would not let Soledad deter him from delivering his message. Kudos!
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 01:45 PM
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9. Exactly...This is the most damning..They just don't know
They don't have any idea when the materials dissappeared. Why not?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 01:45 PM
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frank frankly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 01:52 PM
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11. before you leave DU, a question for you, FuzzyMath
why did Bush have to testify before the 9/11 commission with Cheney?
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stopbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 02:12 PM
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13. Huh? Who mentioned WMDs in this thread? Oh, right, YOU did.
Fucking freeper troll.

Enjoy your tombstone.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 05:35 PM
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15. good one!
when Peggy Noonan uttered that brilliant talking point, I knew we were stumped!

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JusticeForAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 05:36 PM
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16. OOO I want to ask him a question too!!
Why were ANY weapons bases in Iraq considered Tier 2 priorities? Falling below in importance to protecting the Oil Ministries??

Please answer that..or wait, you don't have the facts...
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shelley806 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 06:48 PM
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19. 60% of Republicans voting for Bush believe that there were WMD's
and that is why we are at was with Iraq. Bush/Cheney lies still have hold with their carefully selected idiots.
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 01:57 PM
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12. I know I know !!!
The President accuses Kerry of "wild speculation" and this asshole who is supposed to be the commander in chief doesn't even know.

The incompetence is mind bogling. I cannot continue to live here with this man as president. He embarrases me as an American. EVERY DAY.
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 06:37 PM
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17. Looks like the spine transplant took
Glad to have Biden back among the living!
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 07:06 PM
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20. Never. They never did.



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http://www.charlotte.com/mld/observer/news/6068775.htm
Looting of Iraqi nuclear facility indicts U.S. goals
If we feared the loss of radioactive materials, why not guard them?
TRUDY RUBIN
Knight Ridder Newspapers
Posted on Thu, Jun. 12, 2003

TUWAITHA, Iraq - On a dusty road, just outside of Baghdad, lies one of the great mysteries of the Iraq war.

<snip>

The administration knew full well what was stored at Tuwaitha. So how is it possible that the U.S. military failed to secure the nuclear facility until weeks after the war started? This left looters free to ransack the barrels, dump their contents, and sell them to villagers for storage.

How is it possible that, according to Iraqi nuclear scientists, looters are still stealing radioactive isotopes? The Tuwaitha story makes a mockery of the administration's vaunted concern with weapons of mass destruction. The U.S. military hastened to secure the Ministry of Oil in Baghdad from looters. But Iraq's main nuclear facility was apparently not important enough to get similar protection.

<snip>

And why, in facilities other than Location C, is the looting apparently continuing? Hisham Abdel Malik, a Iraqi nuclear scientist who lives near Tuwaitha and has been inside the complex, told me that in buildings "where there are radioactive isotopes, there is looting every day." He says the isotopes, which are in bright silver containers, "are sold in the black market or kept in homes." According to IAEA spokeswoman Melissa Fleming, such radioactive sources can kill on contact or pollute whole neighborhoods.

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http://www.msnbc.com/news/912073.asp
WMDs for the Taking?
While U.S. troops pushed on to Baghdad, Iraqis were looting radioactive materials from once protected sites
By Rod Nordland
NEWSWEEK

May 19 issue — From the very start, one of the top U.S. priorities in Iraq has been the search for weapons of mass destruction. Weren’t WMDs supposed to be what the war was about? Even so, no one has yet produced conclusive evidence that Iraq was maintaining a nuclear, biological or chemical (NBC) arsenal.

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Some of the lapses are frightening. The well-known Al Tuwaitha Nuclear Research Center, about 12 miles south of Baghdad, had nearly two tons of partially enriched uranium, along with significant quantities of highly radioactive medical and industrial isotopes, when International Atomic Energy Agency officials made their last visit in January. By the time U.S. troops arrived in early April, armed guards were holding off looters—but the Americans only disarmed the guards, Al Tuwaitha department heads told NEWSWEEK. “We told them, ‘This site is out of control. You have to take care of it’,” says Munther Ibrahim, Al Tuwaitha’s head of plasma physics. “The soldiers said, ‘We are a small group. We cannot take control of this site’.” As soon as the Americans left, looters broke in. The staff fled; when they returned, the containment vaults’ seals had been broken, and radioactive material was everywhere.

U.S. officers say the center had already been ransacked before their troops arrived. They didn’t try to stop the looting, says Colonel Madere, because “there was no directive that said do not allow anyone in and out of this place.” Last week American troops finally went back to secure the site. Al Tuwaitha’s scientists still can’t fully assess the damage; some areas are too badly contaminated to inspect. “I saw empty uranium-oxide barrels lying around, and children playing with them,” says Fadil Mohsen Abed, head of the medical-isotopes department. Stainless-steel uranium canisters had been stolen. Some were later found in local markets and in villagers’ homes. “We saw people using them for milking cows and carrying drinking water,” says Ibrahim. The looted materials could not make a nuclear bomb, but IAEA officials worry that terrorists could build plenty of dirty bombs with some of the isotopes that may have gone missing. Last week NEWSWEEK visited a total of eight sites on U.N. weapons-inspection lists. Two were guarded by U.S. troops. Armed looters were swarming through two others. Another was evidently destroyed many years ago. American forces had not yet searched the remaining three.

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vinny9698 Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 07:15 PM
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21. Missing Explosives
Why didn't they just bomb the sites? Shock and awe on Baghdad buildings that were empty but of use to Iragis after the war were blown up.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 08:04 PM
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22. Hi vinny9698!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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pk_du Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 08:07 PM
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23. Biden on Larry King live giving this REAL attention....
...and backing it up with even more facts/dates.!!!
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milkyway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 08:42 PM
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24. THANK YOU! This has been the issue for 3 days.
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IceOwl Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 09:43 PM
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25. More importantly...
No matter whether anyone gave such an order, the invasion of Iraq caused the site to be looted.
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Say_What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 09:46 PM
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26. IS NETWORK NEWS OBSOLETE??
Could we be witnessing the turning of the tide?? For what it's worth....

Harvard Crimson: Westin Blasts Opinion in Media

ABC News President David Westin warned against the proliferation of opinion commentary in the news media at the Institute of Politics’ John F. Kennedy Jr. Forum yesterday night.

“The more time we express our opinions, the less time we have to talk about the facts,” Westin said. “Unfortunately, opinion is driving out facts too often in most of what we see on television today.”

In a speech entitled “Is Network News Obsolete?” Westin argued that network news is far from dead but that the networks must adapt to changes in media.

Westin pointed to the rise of alternative news sources, such as the internet and 24-hour news channels, which have challenged networks to meet constant deadlines and provide continuing coverage.

http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=504085

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