Will a Red Sox victory boost Kerry? - Democratic Underground

midnight armadillo

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Wed Oct-27-04 01:25 PM
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Will a Red Sox victory boost Kerry?

I suspect it will - there are so many people hoping for a Sox win in the World Series that I bet their victory (it's coming!) will boost turnout and votes for Kerry.

The effect would have been greater had it been the Sox sweeping the series vs. the Astros :-)

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southern democrat

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Wed Oct-27-04 01:26 PM
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1. I believe it will

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Clinton Crusader

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Wed Oct-27-04 01:26 PM
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2. As I said in another thread...

TX didnt get in. MA did.

Now MA is poised to win in BUSCH STADIUM!

haha

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LisaM

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Wed Oct-27-04 01:27 PM
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4. Oh, good one!

I'm just glad Houston wasn't in it - we would have had to see Poppy and Babs sitting there.

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Cha

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Wed Oct-27-04 01:29 PM
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8. Hadn't thought of that! Boy Howdy!..

Glad they didn't even get IN!!

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Career Prole

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Wed Oct-27-04 01:27 PM
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3. He's a Sox fan...of course it will!

If you cut us, do we not bleed Red Sox red? :D

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RunningFromCongress

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Wed Oct-27-04 01:27 PM
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5. He'll def. lose missouri if they win

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MADem

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Wed Oct-27-04 02:26 PM
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20. NONSENSE

Even diehard Cards fans acknowledge the 1918 thing with the Sox. It is in the nature of humans to give props to a historical underdog. The Cards do not want to lose, but they would much rather lose to the Sox than the fucking Yankees.

I hope the Sox win early--I would rather not have this go to seven.

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snowbear

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Wed Oct-27-04 01:27 PM
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6. Definitely it will !!

It's an omen! One more game! ~~~ :bounce:

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Cha

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Wed Oct-27-04 01:27 PM
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7. I think it will...how about those

Massachusettes Liberals?..I don't care if the RSox are Liberal or not..they are the Boston team. And their owners are Dems..Tom Werner and John Henry.

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calmblueocean

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Wed Oct-27-04 01:29 PM
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9. As long as he's humble, it will.

Kerry's smart enough not to try to turn it into some political metaphor. That's what Team Bush will be watching for. If Kerry can tell a personal story about how long he's been waiting for this day, he'll do fine.

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Mike L

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Wed Oct-27-04 02:20 PM
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18. That's the key.......don't piss off other teams' fans.

"Comeback Soxs"

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klook

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Wed Oct-27-04 01:30 PM
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10. It can't hurt

although it would have been even better if their opponent had been the team from Texas oil country!

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Wed Oct-27-04 01:32 PM
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11. My hope ...

Edited on Wed Oct-27-04 01:32 PM by fugop

GO SOX!

But ... if you can wait until tomorrow night to clinch the win, I'd appreciate it.

Why? Because then Friday will be all-day Sox-o-palooza on TV, papers, etc. I'd love to see Bush's speech get no freakin' attention whatsoever. If a president cries in a speech and no one sees it, is he still pathetic???

YES YES YES!!!

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Bombtrack

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Wed Oct-27-04 02:07 PM
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13. What speech?

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Qutzupalotl

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Wed Oct-27-04 02:27 PM
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21. Supposed to be a tear-jerker on Friday

about how we've been through so much with Bush after 9-11. :nopity:

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michigandem2

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Wed Oct-27-04 02:07 PM
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14. cubs fan rooting for the sox because it means more than

just a win for a team that hasn't won in ages..I believe it will mean Kerry, the underdog...will win this election..

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Dawgs

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Wed Oct-27-04 02:09 PM
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15. Massachusetts is going to Kerry anyway, I'm more concerned about...

Missouri. Remember, Missouri is still close enough to be considered a battleground state. I wish it was Houston that got in to the WS.

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demwing

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Wed Oct-27-04 02:32 PM
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24. NOOOOO! ack!

A Mass vs Tex worlds series would have been too much fun for the media. Fuck them. They deserve no fun (and there was always the chance that Houston would have won peeeew!)

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Stuckinthebush

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Wed Oct-27-04 02:12 PM
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16. Not at all

It may make him feel good, but it won't have a direct effect on his run for president. Sure, there may be some silly people out there that look for strange signs, but I'd assume they are a very small minority.

The only possibility is that the media (ever looking for a story) will spend two days discussing the interesting parallels with the Sox and Kerry. Perhaps the added positive play may make some voters go with Kerry - but I doubt it.

Come to think of it, it may have a negative effect on St. Louis fans which can hurt our chances in MO. That would stink.

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pelagius

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Wed Oct-27-04 02:17 PM
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17. A Packers win over the Redskins would have a greater effect...

...if this time-tested indicator holds true again:

"The Washington Redskins have proved to be a time-tested election predictor. In the previous 15 elections, if the Washington Redskins have lost their last home game prior to the election, the incumbent party has lost the White House. When they have won, the incumbent has stayed in power. "

More at http://www.snopes.com/sports/football/election.asp

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bigpathpaul

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Wed Oct-27-04 02:23 PM
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19. I believe it does. I'm a (mostly) life-long Yankees fan, but this year I'm

rooting for the Sox. In my superstitious mind it goes like this:

If the Sox win (I think they will) then it's a big Kerry victory.

If they don't win, it's still a Kerry victory, but harder fought and perhaps closer.

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DemocracyInaction

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Wed Oct-27-04 02:29 PM
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22. It's going to boost me!!!

Hell it means we lose MO but it's worth it!! And Kerry will have to take it as 'a sign' since the Sox are god up here.

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Czolgosz

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Wed Oct-27-04 02:30 PM
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23. Everywhere but MO

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LilKim

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Wed Oct-27-04 03:23 PM
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25. Bush and Ohio

The effect would have been greater had it been the Sox sweeping the series vs. the Astros :-)

Actually there remains an appropriateness of the Boston Red Sox beating the St. Louis Cardinals if you look back further in George W. Bush's family history. Both his great grandfathers, Samuel Prescott Bush and George Herbert Walker, have Ohio roots with Walker's specifically being in St. Louis. From Kevin Phillips' American Dynasty:

In fact, Samuel Bush had become wealthy as the president of Buckeye Steel Castings, a railroad equipment manufacturing firm, which he headed from 1908 until his retirement in 1927.

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Prominent in Ohio railroading as well as steel, Bush became a director of the Pennsylvania Railroad’s Ohio subsidiaries, of the Hocking Valley Railway and Norfolk and Western Railway, and of the Huntington National Bank. From 1917-18, he served on the War Industries Board in charge of the forgings, guns, small arms and ammunition section and later the facilities division. Besides founding the Ohio Tax League, Bush became the first President of the National Association of Manufacturer and a director of the Federal Reserve Bank of Cleveland. He built a big house in the Columbus suburb of Bexley, known for its lavish gardens, and sent his children east to boarding school -- the girls to Connecticut’s Westover, the boys (including Prescott) to Episcopalian St. George’s in Newport, Rhode Island. The family spent summers in fashionable seaside Watch Hill, Rhode Island.

Several hundred miles away in St. Louis, George H. Walker was becoming richer. By 1914, his investment firm, G.H. Walker & Co, founded in 1900, had become one of the more important in the Mississippi Valley.

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St. Louis, at that time, was the major financial center in the south-central United States and the nation’s fifth-ranked city in investment banking.

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He was involved in business deals, including the 1904 St. Louis World’s Fair and Democratic mayoral politics alongside two other well-known figures -- ex-Missouri Governor David Francis, later (1893-96) Secretary of the Interior, and millionaire St. Louis businessman Robert Brookings, who would go on to found Washington’s Brookings Institution.

More here: http://www.americandynasty.net/excerpts.htm

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