Biden just said he likes Clark and Kerry on The Daily Show

And he says that he has a personal relationship with Kerry

People want hope.

Doesn't sound like hopeful actions there.

a candidate who isn't angry isn't informed.

You can be so angry that reasonable people question your faculties for making rational decisions.

Or you can channel your anger into action and exercise, win the respect of reasonable people, and actually fix the things that make you angry.

Replacing an American Czar with our version of the Mensheviks will not bring an end to the war, or bring about the repeal of PATRIOT Act.

Given the choice between peace now, and peace at an as-yet-to-be-determined-date, I will choose peace now!

But Indiana Green, I always read and enjoy your posts. They're always intelligent, compassionate and deeply committed.

I agree with you about the danger of the "Patriot Act" (my quotes because I hate the name), and am comfortable that Clark would have the best chance at brokering major amendments to it.

We have to clean up the mess we created in Iraq. It's an ethical thing. We devastated their infrastructure and we must coordinate international aid so we can undo the damage Bush has done.

This could be a generational thing, but I like Kerry because he stood bravely and effectively against the Vietnam war at a time when we needed leaders like him. I wish he had voted differently on Iraq, but if he had been President, I don't think we would have been anywhere near that country.

Through the decades, he has been one of the most liberal Democrats. He has stood up for our causes time and again. I am ready to give him another chance because of his consistent lifelong record. I don't believe he'll disappoint us again.

setting IWR aside.

2004 does have some generational parallels to 1968. Let's hope that Boston doesn't turn into another Chicago!

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Can't be angry, oh no, we musn't dare be angry at our wonderful president.

If they can choose between hope and anger, they'll choose hope every time. That's why we've got to put the anger down and BE the better choice, the hopeful choice, the stronger choice.

The song of the angry co-dependent:

If I listened long enough to you
I'd find a way to believe that it's all true
Knowing that you lied straight-faced while I cried
Still I look to find a reason to believe

If I gave you time to change my mind
I'd find a way just to leave the past behind
Knowing that you lied straight-faced while I cried
Still I look to find a reason to believe

And people will do exactly this. They do it ALL the time.

Kerry (when not stabbing Dean in the neck) is talking trash about Bush and his policies with regard to the Iraq war...people don't see the hope in any of that, do they? In fact, most of the US will brote very little criticism of Bush, so you counter it with Emily Post?

amnesia about the crimes of the BFEE.

It's absurd to claim that calling for an investigation is
wallowing in anger.

We have to shine the light on these vermin.

n/t

Biden mentions Clark but leaves out poor Joe.

2000 primary. That was where I met him. I wished at that time that he would run. I knew then that if he ever did run, I would support him. He had that inviting charisma of a JFK or Clinton - he was energetic - smart - compassionate and full of humor.

And he knows what he's talking about.

He wants someone with foreign policy depth.

but I'm glad that he decided against a run for the WH as rumored.

Someone just made a comment in PM about Biden that I can't repeat.

Biden has been stabbing the voters for years. He doesn't even pretend to be anything but a whore for big business anymore.

i remember reading something about that a while back i think

when Biden was planning a run for the presidency. It was pointed out that he had lifted parts of Labour Party Leader Neil Kinnock's speeches.

Because of course everyone knows how great Neil Kinnock was at winning elections:eyes:

I like Joe Biden though.

everyone in Delaware LOVES Joe Biden - BIG TIME !

His rivalry with Al Gore is obviously destined to continue. He basically accused Al of endorsing Dean for the money and the organization...."Al Gore needs that money, and I might want it next time, so I don't want to offend Dean."

Jon was brilliant in blasting Cheney....asked Biden if Cheney's face was to melt off, would there be some sort of futuristic, space-age polymer underneath, concealing a murderous cyborg?

Biden said he was counting on ROVE to bring Bush back to his senses, if only due to the failure of the "ideological purity" of Cheney and the need for "raw politics".

Biden is extremely likable, and extremely smart. I also like the fact that he acknowledged that Jon had more impact than Russert.

Pretty bad for Dean, and makes me worry that the big boys think we're going to lose 2004. That, to me, is unacceptable. Bush has to be replaced in 2004...and I really don't care which of the "Big Six" candidates replace him.

foreign policy knowledge and experience is a big issue for him so i am not surprised.

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thiers are looking directly at each other ;p

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what's your point?

:nuke:

you post on DU right?

they're birds of a feather

;)

Who has constantly made pro-Bush comments on Sunday talk shows, much to the chagrin of the people here at DU?

Sometimes I think DUers are more attentive than the rest of the public, and then other times I think we're just as forgetful as the rest of them.

(Check DU archives for more)

and they appreciate it. I don't see any part of Joe supporting Bush - he hates him.

Said he likes "Clark and Kerry."

Then he made the point that Kerry is a personal friend,
so he feels loyalty to him. Then he repeated that he
likes Clark!!!

He also said (hey, I report you decide), in answer to what
does he think of Dean, he doesn't think a candidate can win if
they lack a message of hope and an answer to what's wrong.

Damn, this is good so far.
(We're on commercial.)

senator breaux has said he likes wes clark. i think he said something about how wes clark can beat bush.

i don't agree with breaux on many issues, but he said he liked clark because he thought he could be beat unlike some others (he mentioned dean specifically). he didn't say anything more than that. and breaux is from the south as clark is so many that was it. and breaux is still better than zell miller.

to caption your picture. But I'll leave my thoughts to myself.

have one thing in common -- They love to have their face on TV.

A Democratic supporter of the PNAC agenda. I am sorry to hear that Biden likes Clark. I must ask the question, why does a man like Biden like a supposedly antiwar candidate like Wes Clark?

not a one issue thing.

Guess what? So is the Iraq war and the so-called "war on terrorism" which is nothing more than a pretext to extend American hegemony and defend friendly oligarchies against the wrath of their own people.

maybe biden things clark has the foreign policy experience to deal with these things.

Biden's world views should have been rejected long ago, they belong to a long-gone era.

The mere endorsement by someone like Biden should raise some red flags among those of us that are concerned about the growth of the Imperial Presidency and the New Rome.

and he hasn't really endorsed anyone yet.

and that makes him as despicable as Miller.

What's the point of electing a Democratic President if he is going to keep the PATRIOT Act and continue to wage PNAC wars?

We should not be electing Mensheviks to replace the Tsars!

and i'm sure patriot act is not on the top of most of their lists.

as they are the top issues for millions of other Americans. If you want to ignore that go right ahead, but don't come back crying in November demanding an ABB loyalty oath.

We are not safer with a Democrat in the White House if PATRIOT is still on the books, and the war is still going on.

We want a change in policy, not a change in personnel!

Do you have anything to back up that assertion, or do we just have to take that on faith?

8. If you make a factual assertion about a candidate that is not generally accepted to be true, you must provide a link to a reputable source to back up your claim. Allegedly "innocent" questions which are actually an underhanded effort to spread rumors are not allowed. If you really need to know the answer to your question, try Google.

"why does a man like Biden like a supposedly antiwar candidate like Wes Clark?"

an endorsement I want.

anyone I can think of. I was blown away at his comments at every turn.

He swings both ways.