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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 08:33 AM
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Dean Wins Braun Backing in Iowa, Gephardt Attacks
Dean Wins Braun Backing in Iowa, Gephardt Attacks
Fri Jan 16,12:46 AM ET Add Politics - Reuters to My Yahoo!


By John Whitesides, Political Correspondent

DES MOINES, Iowa (Reuters) - Democratic presidential front-runner Howard Dean (news - web sites) picked up the support of Carol Moseley Braun (news - web sites) on Thursday and came under attack in a television ad from rival Richard Gephardt during a tight sprint to the final.



Four days before the first event in the 2004 Democratic nominating process, Braun dropped her long shot bid for the White House and asked her Iowa supporters to back Dean in Monday's presidential caucuses, calling him "a Democrat we can all be proud to support."


Gephardt, a Missouri congressman who is fighting for his political life in Iowa, launched a new ad asking voters how much they really knew about Dean.


"Did you know Howard Dean called Medicare 'one of the worst federal programs ever?"' the narrator asks.
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What is Gephardts point? First of all he is misrepresenting Dean's words. Dean says Medicare is run badly. Is that anyone who can argue with that? In my opinion Gephardt is going to place 3rd in Iowa and for good reason. I saw one of his events yesterday and he had a small room full of mostly apathetic people there. If it wasn't for his union support he would be done for. As it is he has no real support in other states.


http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=584&e=1&u=/nm/20040116/pl_nm/campaign_dc
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Hep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 08:39 AM
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1. You didn't hear? It's totally cool to lie and misrepresent
It's calling the liars out that gets you in trouble.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 08:44 AM
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2. But..but..but...
Edited on Fri Jan-16-04 08:46 AM by in_cog_ni_to
Dean said that. Here's a bunch of quotes...directly from the horses mouth.

"As chairman of the National Governors Association in 1995, Dean supported reduced Medicare spending to keep the program solvent. President Clinton vindicated the position when he signed a budget resolution with the same reforms in 1997, Dean said. 'I believe I'm a farsighted person in terms of public policy,' Dean told reporters."



Dean called Medicare "one of the worst federal programs ever;" a "disaster" and "nightmare."

"I think it's one of the worst federal programs ever..."

" one of the worst things that ever happened... a bureaucratic disaster... You'd destroy the health care system in this country if you had Medicare for everybody."

"Medicare is the best argument I know why the federal government should never be allowed to run a national health care system."

"Medicare, which I don't like, does have one virtue: Its administrative cost is only about 2 percent of total budget outlays."

"I can tell you that the bureaucracy associated with capitated care is far less that it is, for example, associated with Medicare, which is, from my point of view, a bureaucratic nightmare."


In 1995, Dean agreed with Republican plans to cut Medicare by $270 billion and require seniors to pay more.

On May 17, 1995, one day before the Republican Congress voted to cut Medicare, Howard Dean delivered a speech praising the cuts.

"He applauded the efforts of Senate Budget Committee chairman Pete Domenici, R-Nev., who presented his own balanced budget plan last week... Dean also said he could defend Domenici's approach to reducing Medicare costs. He said he supported more managed care for Medicare recipients and requiring some Medicare recipients to pay a greater share of the cost of their medical services...
'I fully subscribe to the notion that we should reduce the Medicare growth rate from 10 percent to 7 percent, or less if possible,' Dean said."

The cuts Dean described - reducing the rate of growth to 7 percent - was exactly what Congressional Republicans proposed: "Republicans want to save $256 billion to $282 billion by cutting the rate of growth of Medicare over seven years, from about 10% to 7%."


While Dick Gephardt fought the Medicare cuts, Dean became conservatives' "poster child" for justifying the Medicare cuts.

Washington Times conservative columnist Donald Lambro said, "...the White House and its allies in Congress think they can make some political hay if they can make taxpayers believe the GOP budget cuts will destroy needed government programs... Even Vermont Gov. Howard Dean, the Democratic chairman of the National Governors Association and one of the GOP's severest critics, said, 'I fully subscribe to the notion that we should reduce the Medicare growth rate from 10 percent to 7 percent, or less if possible.'"


Dean said the way to balance the budget was to cut Medicare.

"The Governor complains...that while federal spending restraint is clearly needed, it is unfair to place Social Security, Medicare, and defense spending off the table when it comes time for budget cuts."

"The way to balance the budget, Dean said, is for Congress to cut Social Security, move the retirement age to 70, cut defense, Medicare and veterans pensions, while the states cut almost everything else. "It would be tough but we could do it," he said."

During a January 1995 visit to Washington, Dean said that if Congress passed a balanced budget amendment, "states and poor people would suffer disproportionately unless Congress agreed to find savings from Social Security and defense spending as well...Congress should be willing to cut or slow growth in those programs, he said... 'We just would like to see some similar kind of backbone by the new leadership in Congress when it comes to Medicare, when it comes to Social Security and when it comes to defense.' Without Social Security and defense on the table, Dean says, cuts in what's left of the budget would harm states..."

Dean said Medicare should be turned into a 100% managed care program.

"Laying out what he believes the party's agenda should be for the next four years, Dean said the federal government should follow a nonpartisan commission's recommendations to reduce the Social Security cost-of-living adjustment. Dean advocated making Medicare a wholly managed care program."

"He said he supported more managed care for Medicare recipients and requiring some Medicare recipients to pay a greater share of the cost of their medical services."


Dean has long been a vocal critic of Medicare... he even criticized it in his first "State of the State" speech as Governor of Vermont.

"Finally, our health care system must be administered by the states. We already have a national health care system in this country for those over 65. It's called Medicare, and it is one of the worst run programs in this country, both for the patients and the doctors. Medicare is a potent example of why the federal government must not be allowed to run national health insurance."

"Dean, an ardent Medicare critic who also is a physician, says the bill would be a disaster for states. "A central bureaucracy run out of Washington cannot deliver care," he says." "

"I agree with Carroll Campbell when he says the federal government ought not to be allowed to administer a national health care program. They've already provide that they can't do that in a national health care program for those over 65, which is Medicare."

"You'd destroy the health care system in this country if you had Medicare for everybody."


Dean has been called "a liberal Democrat who sounds like an arch conservative when it comes to talking about Medicare."

"He is also a liberal Democrat who sounds like an arch conservative when it comes to talking about Medicare…"


Dean said Medicare turns its recipients into "second class citizens," is "the best advertisement" for why the federal government should not be allowed to draw up the plan for national health insurance.

According to a May 1992 article in The Rutland Herald, "As he has in the past, Dean stressed that the states must move ahead of the federal government in reforming health care. Medicare, which turns its recipients into 'second class citizens’ and has been a fiasco for health care providers, is 'the best advertisement' for why the federal government must not be allowed to draw up the blueprint for national health insurance, Dean said."
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Hep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 09:04 AM
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3. Straight from the horses mouth, kinda!
How does one pronounce, "..."?

LOL, that D's are taken in by this kind of stuff does not bode well for us this cycle.

No one has ever answered the following question:

"Considering medicares significant increase in costs from year to year, how do you expect to keep it solvent while fully funding it every year?"

And guess what, medicare IS horribly run. Ask your doctor.

Never mind, don't. I know what this is about, and it's not issues.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 09:30 AM
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4. To Richard Gephardt, the President is a "nice man" and a "smart man"
in response to the Paul O'Neil book story! This may not worth starting another thread, but in Monday morning's TV coverage of the O'Neil story, that is what Dick Gephardt said. This is in the same segment where the White House was quoted with some scathing attacks on Paul O'Neil such as: "O'Neil's ideas were crazy when he was here, so it is no surprise that they are crazy now" (an inexact quote).

The Looney Tunes' bombastic rooster Foghorn Leghorn would have to say this about Dick: "The boy--he just don't get it"
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 11:53 AM
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9. that's in character for Gep
I would never expect him to call Bush stupid, even though he undoubtedly knows he is.

Gep gave a beautiful speech at the time of Clinton's impeachment callling for an end to the very personal attacks. I think he really meant, and I think that's the way he does politics, and I think a lot of people appreciate that style.



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Bread and Roses Donating Member (97 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 12:21 PM
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15. Although that is not my style,
I agree that Gephardt seems to handle things in what I would term as a round-the-back way. It's all so polite and genteel and phony!

However, he has been a good friend to the worker and I don't believe we need to attack the man mercilessly here.

He won't get the nomination, of that I am certain.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 12:26 PM
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17. Yup. Gep puts on the pink tutu for Bush, and swings a bat at Dems. (n/t)
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 12:11 PM
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12. Gephardt called Junior "SMART"??
God, I hope that kiss ass is gone after Monday!
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 10:25 AM
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5. kick
Clark's campaing is just as corrupt as Gephardts apparently. Have we all seen the new article on the cover of the NYT. I believe there is a thread about it.
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indigo32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 11:31 AM
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6. He likes to beat a dead horse apparently
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 11:37 AM
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7. Even the media has begun to comment about Gephart's campaign
Edited on Fri Jan-16-04 11:38 AM by Padraig18
I've heard several major networks comment on the irony of Howard Dean's campaign being perceived as 'negative', when their own reporters on the ground in Iowa have said that Dean's 'negativity' is far, far less than Gephart's.

:shrug:
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-04 10:46 AM
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24. But you know when the media decides on the "storyline"
it is very difficult to get them to change it. They would have to think and investigate don't cha know.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 11:51 AM
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8. Figures. The dirty campaign tactics have served him well er um Kerry well
;)

I adore CMB. So glad to have her on board.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 11:58 AM
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10. I think Gep's charges are accurate
Dean was with Gingrich when the dems were fighting them on their Medicare cuts.

The thing about "I was just saying it was badly run" is not convincing at all to me. The republicans could say the same thing. They call their cuts "reforms," it doesn't mean they like Medicare or want to save it, they hate it.

Even in this campaign, Dean used one of the GOP's most obnoxious talking points about Medicare, he said that Gep is "scaring seniors, like the democrats always do." :puke:

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Upfront Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 12:08 PM
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11. Dean & Medicare
Dean said Medicare was poorly run and should be fixed. He was right. To say Dean wants to do away with Medicare is a joke. If this is the politcs of the main stream Democrats, no wonder they lose. If Gephart ever needs my vote he is in trouble.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 12:17 PM
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13. I'm very familiar with Dean's explanation
I just don't believe it. Just like I don't believe the republicans when they talk about "reform." When they talk about reforming something, they want to kill it.

I don't think Dean wants to kill Medicare, but I think he's probably the least likely to fight for it among all the candidates. He doesn't like it.

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Bread and Roses Donating Member (97 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 12:18 PM
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14. Perhaps, at that time, Dean
was still over-identifying with his previous career as physician. :shrug:
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chocolateeater Donating Member (685 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 12:26 PM
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16. I dont know about that,
but he probably took his previous experience as a physician into account. Don't forget Vermont has the 2nd worst Medicare reimbursement rates, right behind Iowa.
Welcome to DU:hi:
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 12:29 PM
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19. very likely true, imo
That's been my assumption, and I've been waiting to see some news analysis of Dean's relationship with the AMA. Did he generally go along with their politics? Did he ever dissent? I haven't seen that looked into.

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Schmendrick54 Donating Member (111 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 12:27 PM
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18. Are you sure Dean said that?
Hi Cocoa,

Can you provide some specifics about where or when Dean said that Gep is "scaring seniors, like the democrats always do"?

If he really said that, I don't blame you for barfing. I say shame on him if he did, but I would like to be sure he really said that. It doesn't sound in character to me.

Regards,
Schmendrick
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 12:42 PM
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20. I couldn't believe it when I heard it
he was in the back of his campaign van with the lovely Margaret Warner:

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/politics/july-dec03/iowa_11-20.html

MARGARET WARNER: Privately, he expresses frustration at Gephardt's attack.

HOWARD DEAN: He's scaring seniors with talk about Medicare, just like Democrats have always done.

MARGARET WARNER: He says you said it was the worst federal program ever.

HOWARD DEAN: I did. Because it was the worst administered federal program ever doesn't mean I want to get rid of Medicare. You would never get rid of Medicare in your right mind if you're a physician. But it's a badly run program and it needs to be fixed.


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Schmendrick54 Donating Member (111 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 05:40 PM
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21. Thanks, Cocoa.
Looks like an example of Dean saying he shouldn't have to me.

Regards,
Schmendrick
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Jerseycoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-04 01:18 AM
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23. Oh, gross nt
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-04 12:42 AM
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22. kick
:kick:
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