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mantis Donating Member (535 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 04:56 PM
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BREAKING: Kerry: Get rid of the Agriculture Dept (' 96)
On drudge now....make of it what you will.



**Exclusive** In 1996 Senator John Kerry proposed to "get rid of the Agriculture Department," the DRUDGE REPORT can reveal. A move -- that if successful -- would have likely resulted in subsidies cuts and programs for Iowa growers. "I think we can reduce the size of Washington," Kerry said on January 6, 1996. "Get rid of the Energy Department. Get rid of the Agriculture Department, or at least render it three-quarters the size it is today; there are more agriculture bureaucrats than there are farmers in this country"...

http://www.drudgereport.com
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threemilemind Donating Member (96 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 04:58 PM
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1. Who is behind all these hits on different candidates lately?
Hmmmm..., Hil...Nah..,couldn't be, (could it?).
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 05:36 PM
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19. Hil?! Using Drudge?!
You're right. It couldn't be!
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jbfam4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 04:59 PM
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2. So what part of the story
was left out this time?
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mantis Donating Member (535 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 05:01 PM
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4. No idea
And good point. Best to wait and see if this is
true etc or not. He also apparently advocated the
same thing for the ENERGY dept....which is weird.

IF true....not sure how folks in Iowa will respond.
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 05:00 PM
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3. After coming on so strong in Iowa
for Kerry's sake,I hope the farmers haven't saw this one
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i_am_not_john_galt Donating Member (229 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 05:06 PM
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5. Actually
as the son-in-law of a family farmer, many farmers might agree with Kerry, especially the comment about there being more ag beurocrats (never can spell that one) than farmers. It would not necessarily mean the end of subsidies or government services, just that those thing would be consolidated into other agencies. Even block grants to states for programs to preserve family farms and build up the county agent programs.
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EllieDem Donating Member (235 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 05:12 PM
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7. This one just seems silly........
and don't put all the blame on Drudge - it's SO obvious democrats from opposing campaigns are dropping these in his lap.....this stuff needs to stop or we're hurting our whole party (this smells like Gephardt!!)
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 05:24 PM
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13. I nominate Chris Lehane n/t
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SahaleArm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 05:25 PM
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14. I nominate the guy who cheated for Mondale n/t
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boxster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 05:39 PM
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20. Care to share your reasoning?
This release quickly followed Iowa polls showing Kerry either tied with Dean or ahead of him by as many as 5 points.

I would say Dean has much more to gain by this than Clark does. This potentially affects the race in Iowa much more than it does NH.
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 05:19 PM
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9. I see your point. Thanks for the insight
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 06:45 PM
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36. Which is his position, 100%
This is the exact same thing that they tried against him last week on the voting no business. And it was the exact same response. You bet he's against all these massive agri-business subsidies and he's been fighting against it for years. As long as this is reported exactly as quoted, this will help.
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isbister Donating Member (902 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 05:11 PM
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6. Look what Drudge wrote and compare it with what Kerry actually said
Is it bad to want to eliminate waste?

"I think we can reduce the size of Washington," Kerry said on January 6, 1996. "Get rid of the Energy Department. Get rid of the Agriculture Department, or at least render it three-quarters the size it is today; there are more agriculture bureaucrats than there are farmers in this country"...

I know I don't want "more agriculture bureaucrats than there are farmers"
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 05:30 PM
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16. Drudge didn't misrepresent at all
And yeah, cutting out whole departments is a bad idea, IMO.

Reform, yes. Eliminate? No, that doesn't sound good to me at all.

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isbister Donating Member (902 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 05:45 PM
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23. Read the statement
"I think we can reduce the size of Washington," Kerry said on January 6, 1996. "Get rid of the Energy Department. Get rid of the Agriculture Department, or at least render it three-quarters the size it is today; there are more agriculture bureaucrats than there are farmers in this country"...
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 06:10 PM
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31. I did. And? n/t
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 05:12 PM
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8. Drudge?
Edited on Fri Jan-16-04 05:13 PM by AngryAmish
You believe Drudge? There are full blown paranoid schizophrenics I would believe before Drudge. (edited to make sense)
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EllieDem Donating Member (235 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 05:21 PM
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11. You obviously don't read Drudge very often
he has some very negative stories/links about republicans all the time including Bush. And remember the Rush story? We've actually had 2 different threads going on at this site at the same time where we are gleeful about a Drudge story and at the same time another thread going on about a Drudge story where we say Drudge always lies. I have a republican cousin who points this out all the time and I have to admit he's right......Lets just be consistent!!
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Roon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 05:54 PM
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28. Drudge still leans right though..
Edited on Fri Jan-16-04 05:54 PM by Roon
he only posts the negative stories about Bush, Rush, etc. only so he can inform his readers what is coming down the pipeline, which is exactly why I read him all day every day. Whether you like Drudge or hate him, he has some awesome connects and breaks a lot of stories first and fast.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 05:21 PM
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10. *snif* *snif* smells like Chris Lehane.
;)
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Bombtrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 05:24 PM
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12. Clark isn't competing against Kerry for Iowa, Dean is
It's probably either from Dean, or the GOP who many think want Dean nominated
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 06:08 PM
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30. Doesn't matter -- Clark doesn't want a STRONG Kerry coming at
him in NH.

Weakening him here, weakens him there.
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Bombtrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 06:39 PM
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34. Uh and he wants Dean to win it instead?
that's one warped argument
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 07:01 PM
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40. Actually, yes.
I doubt Lahane's behind it. Drudge takes his requests from the other side. But tactically speaking, Clark is better off with a thinned out field. The person who can best thin out the field with a victory in Iowa is Dean. Anyone else wins and we could have a brand new horse race rather than a Dean vs Clark dynamic.
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Snoopy2 Donating Member (72 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 06:42 PM
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35. Sounds like it may be from Dean's camp
From the Iowa Pulse From Dec.

Dean fights back by criticizing Kerry on farm policy
Ed Tibbetts
Date posted: December, 30th, 2003

Two days after Democratic presidential candidate Howard Dean complained about rivals barking at his heels, the former Vermont governor bit back Tuesday.

Dean’s campaign accused U.S. Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., of failing Iowa farmers when floods hit the state 10 years ago. He also complained that Kerry supported the 1996 revamp of national farm policy that is roundly criticized by Democrats.


http://www.iowapulse.com/2003/story81.html

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Snoopy2 Donating Member (72 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 06:55 PM
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38. Drudge probably took Kerry's quotes out of context also
It must have to do Gingrich's Freedom to Farm law which apparently would have removed subsidies for family farmers. Harken, Kerry and Gephardt voted against it.
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SahaleArm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 05:27 PM
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15. Trippi is at the bottom of a dumpster as we speak...
Edited on Fri Jan-16-04 05:31 PM by SahaleArm
Dig away :evilgrin:
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boxster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 05:41 PM
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21. Dean has much more to gain from this than Clark does.
The timing is impeccable, considering most Iowa polls show Kerry ahead or a statistical tie.
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 05:34 PM
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17. As a Democrat ... and as a Clark supporter ...
I MUST ask: .... WHY do so many Clark supporters attack their fellow Democrats for the slightest pretenses ? ...

Cmon .... we are ALL in the same party ...

Kerry, Dean, Edwards and Gephardt are DECENT men, worthy of our collective respect, if not our direct support ...

Before someone decides to RUN a good man face down into the mud, perhaps it would actually be decent of that someone to see if their target deserved such harsh treatment by his fellow party members ....
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SahaleArm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 05:51 PM
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27. Seems like the unsubstantiated claims in the NY-Times article...
created the current blame Clark Campaign (Lehane) first, ask questions later.
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 05:35 PM
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18. Kerry is not afraid to go to Iowa and tell the truth.
Case in point:


Grist: It's interesting to me that unlike other candidates, you've actually gone to Iowa, for instance, which has a strong United Auto Workers base, and argued for CAFE (Corporate Average Fuel Economy) standards, putting yourself in conflict with what we traditionally think of as anti-environmentalists.

Kerry: You have to tell the truth and let the chips fall where they may. But the truth, in this case, should be appealing to UAW's workers: I believe I can put them to work. I believe I can have them working making cars; they can just make cars that are more efficient. It's not that hard. We can make cars that use biomass ethanol, cars that use hybrid-electric engines, that get 100 miles to the gallon by just being smarter. Somebody has to lead us there.
http://www.gristmagazine.com/maindish/kerry092303.asp

And another case in point:
Democratic presidential hopeful John Kerry on Monday outlined a plan to curb runoffs into the nation's river systems and put new efforts into restoring wetlands.

Kerry headed to Davenport, Iowa, to announce his clean water proposals on the banks of the Mississippi River, the main drinking water source for 18 million Americans.

In Iowa, 188 waterways are listed on the impaired registry by federal environmental officials, and 140,000 Iowans drink water with nitrate levels above recommended amounts. Kerry argued that 30 years after the federal Clean Water Act was enacted, the nation remains far short of its goals.

The Massachusetts senator said he would create incentive systems for cities along the river to control runoff that is steadily polluting the waters, and would put in place similar incentives for farmers to create buffer strips to control leaking of farm chemicals into rivers.
http://www.newsday.com/news/politics/wire/sns-ap-kerry-environment,0,6304708.story?coll=sns-ap-politics-headlines(oops, old link, doesn't work)


CAFE standards to auto workers - non point source pollution in farm country -- just like farm subsidies, these are hot-button topics. But real leadership includes being able to say the things people don't want to hear as well as what they do.

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isbister Donating Member (902 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 05:48 PM
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25. So he will look them right in the eye and say
"I think we can reduce the size of Washington"

"Get rid of the Agriculture Department, or at least render it three-quarters the size it is today; there are more agriculture bureaucrats than there are farmers in this country"...
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 05:43 PM
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22. Iowan farmers will say....
Damn Straight!! There are too goddamn many agricultural bureacrats! And they'll caucus for Kerry.
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 05:49 PM
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26. Yep. This will win him votes
AND I just came back from Freeper land- THEY AGREE!!! I can't believe how many posters there say THEY'LL vote FOR Kerry if he does this!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1059490/posts
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 05:46 PM
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24. learned a lesson here last night
do not trust Drudge...there is always a little truth and a whole lot of spin. He is a tool of Ed at the RNC.
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OKNancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 05:54 PM
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29. Drudge has his marching orders from the RNC
When they were absolutely certain Dean was going to be the nominee, they felt safe to smear him. Now that it is in doubt, they are pulling out their guns for Clark and Kerry, and Edwards will be next.

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jsw_81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 06:24 PM
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32. I'm sure Iowa will be thrilled to hear this news
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 06:35 PM
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33. Well, I do know that the ethanol program is a white elephant
that would have been cancelled years ago were it not for the politicians that come pandering to Iowa every four years.

"I am an ethanol man!"

George W. Bush
2000 GOP Iowa debate
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QuidditchFan Donating Member (299 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 06:45 PM
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37. If this is the best that Drudge can do to smear Kerry, then maybe
he should go straight to the White House without passing "Go."

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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 06:58 PM
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39. I heard, of all people, Gingrich defending Kerry on this one...
...said it was about cutting Washington Bureaucracy and NOT farm programs.
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