PNAC scares the shit out of my co-workers.

Or, at least it does now. One of them asked me how I was doing. I said to ask me again on Wednesday. Eventually, a political discussion took place. She said she really disliked Kerry, so I asked her why. She is an intelligent person, but sounded somewhat brainwashed with spin about Kerry. I figured asking her to unlearn all of that one day before the elections was a lost cause. I said I was worried about bigger things than Kerry being a jerk. She asked me what.

So I started telling her about PNAC. About their agenda of using military force to absorb the oil producing nations of the world regardless of cost. About their desire to see a global economy dominated my American foreign policy. About their eagerness to strike Iraq back in 1997. Then I started telling her who was part of PNAC. Cheney, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, Jeb Bush. I swear I saw her eyes getting bigger as I spoke.

That's when she replied that she liked Bush, but not the people who support him. And she DOESN'T like Kerry, but does like the people who support him. We got into a little this-and-that about how politicians are often as beholden to those that back them as anything else. And she said that you never know what you're going to get when you elect someone, because what they say and what they do isn't the same thing.

I said, in return, that with Bush, we DO know what we're going to get. Four more years of THIS. Then I dropped some Supreme Court Justice nomination on top of that. . . I'd say she's a dead lock for Kerry now. Would I have liked to show her the truth about Kerry? Yeah. But it was honestly more practical to swing her into the Anyone But Bush camp, and I think that worked nicely.

What really did it was PNAC, though. Everything else, I think, she could have shook off. But the PNAC agenda, and the fact that their names are right there on the website as supporters of that agenda, that bothered her. She didn't like that this group of unelected people would be setting US foreign policy. I do wish we'd been able to hammer PNAC this year.

I painted the Bush Regime as Illuminati-style manipulators right out of a bad X-Files spin-off with almost no effort (which yes, is highly scary). And it bothered her profoundly. She generally came away with the opinion that 4 years of John Kerry, even if he doesn't do much, is better than 4 years of Bush, because what he'll do is the stuff that urban legends and conspiracy theories are made of.

Good job, and thanks for sharing! I really get jazzed with all the personal, optimistic stories.:yourock:

hit her with up to 3 supreme court justices going to retire in the next 4 years, Roe Vs. Wade will be easily overturned.

She said, "They CAN'T overturn Roe v Wade." And I replied, "Actually, the Supreme Court is the only court that can. And Scalia and Thomas have already indicated that they would."

That and how Bush believes in the rapture, and wants to help it along.

First, they don't believe in PNAC or the rapture. Then, if you prove that PNAC exists and that there are people who believe in the rapture (and are actually working to move the world closer to the Rapture) they don't believe Bush is involved in either.

Fortunately, there are websites describing both concepts!

I brought up the Rapturists, and she knew who they were, so that was half the battle there. But I always tell people to Google "Project for the New American Century" (or just go to newamericancentury.org) and take a look a the list of signers. I find that people don't like it when their leaders belong to a political side group that has its own manifesto.