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feistydem Donating Member (994 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 11:12 PM
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How will history judge George W. Bush in 10 years?
Edited on Mon Nov-01-04 11:19 PM by feistydem
What will the history books say about this (p)resident 10 years from now --assuming we've all gained some perspective?

What will be his greatest failures for the annals of time?

Will there be any successes to log?
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 11:13 PM
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1. More importantly, how will the parole board judge him?
That's about the time he'll come up for parole after he's tried for war crimes.
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Free2BMe Donating Member (535 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 11:13 PM
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2. who?
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TimeToGo Donating Member (656 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 11:13 PM
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3. 10 years is a bit short
for history -- popular history perhaps. I can't imagine that it won't be very, very harhs. But, on the other hand, I can't imagine a single person voting for him, so . . .
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feistydem Donating Member (994 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 11:18 PM
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14. Well, he's certainly improved Clinton's record in 4 short years
I figure in 10 we'll have cemented some strong opinions that will remain unchanged. Even though Nixon was not hated with the same depth before his death as he was when he held office and resigned, he was always considered the worst president in modern history by most.

Bush also may have changed Nixon's dark legacy by becoming the new 'worst' president.
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flowomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 11:14 PM
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4. the anals of time will love him.... the annals won't although....
it may take more than 10 years to fully assess the foolishness of invading Iraq, an area where history repeatedly teaches that Western interference leads to nothing but disaster.
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feistydem Donating Member (994 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 11:21 PM
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18. thanks for the type-o catch. I must have one every post I write.
my laptop keyboard sticks and it drives me batty.
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flowomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 11:40 PM
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31. didn't mean to have a yuck at your expense... couldn't resist
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feistydem Donating Member (994 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 12:00 AM
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38. I have to admit I get lax on DU at times.
I spend my workdays writing and when I get home I am a complete slob.
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flowomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 12:02 AM
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39. we all do it and nobody notices unless it lends itself to an easy joke....
and I shamelessly grabbed the opportunity :)
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onecent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 11:14 PM
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I just hope I'm around to see it
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molly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 11:14 PM
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5. Much much worse than they judged Nixon
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 11:27 PM
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26. Yes, I think you're right...worse than Nixon.
Nixon was a hateful thief and lier, but he did do some good things in negotiations with china, and sneakey as it was, did bring an end to Vietnam.

I've been trying to think, as fairly as I can, what has shrub done "good" in his 4 years?

I guess the Iraq invasion isn't answered yet. It depends on the final outcome. If Iraq does become a better country, history will look much kinder upon the shrub. If it's worse, or just as bad as when Saddam was ruler, welllll.....

I think he will be remembered as the MOST secretive, and divisive administration in history.
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DELUSIONAL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 11:15 PM
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6. Depends on who is in power
Raygun's history is been rewritten -- he was a rotten Governor and a worse Prez.
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Spoon Donating Member (401 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 11:15 PM
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7. It really depends how well Kerry cleans up the mess in Iraq.
imo
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flowomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 11:15 PM
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8. And, oh yeah, the "My Pet Goat" video is in the History Hall of Fame...
a lock.
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NAO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 11:16 PM
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9. Historians Have Already Deemed Him a Dismal Failure
Historians vs. George W. Bush
http://hnn.us/articles/5019.html

Although his approval ratings have slipped somewhat in recent weeks, President George W. Bush still enjoys the overall support of nearly half of the American people. He does not, however, fare nearly so well among professional historians.

A recent informal, unscientific survey of historians conducted at my suggestion by George Mason University’s History News Network found that eight in ten historians responding rate the current presidency an overall failure.



Full article at http://hnn.us/articles/5019.html


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Rambis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 11:16 PM
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10. We all wake up in a shower scene?
Edited on Mon Nov-01-04 11:16 PM by Rambis
It was all a dream! Check that a nightmare-
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 11:17 PM
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11. It won't take ten years. Ten days or ten hours should be enough time.
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Lefty48197 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 11:17 PM
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12. Like a hot dog cook trying to make a souffle.
in way over his head, and sorely lacking the necessary tools.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 11:17 PM
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13. we'll all be dead? remember?
what does he know and when will he know it?
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camero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 11:19 PM
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15. The most corrupt admin in history
http://www.axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/article_13131.shtml

Over the past year, one revelation after another has ensued, demonstrating not only that Halliburton/KBR has enjoyed privileged access to Pentagon contracts, but that the Bush administration has done everything in its power to block any review of this corrupt relationship with Cheney’s former company.



* In December 2003, Pentagon auditors uncovered a overcharge of $61 million by KBR on a contract to supply fuel for the military in Iraq. Halliburton was also suspected of overcharging by $67 million on food for military mess halls in Kuwait and Iraq.



* In January 2004, Halliburton repaid $6.3 million in overcharges and kickbacks for fuel contracts in Kuwait.



* In February 2004, the Pentagon announced that Halliburton would repay it for $27 million in KBR overbilling for meals served to troops at five military bases in Kuwait and Iraq. The meals were never delivered.



* In March 2004, the Pentagon requested the Justice Department join the probe of overbilling, a strong indication that potential criminal fraud charges were at issue.



* In June 2004, Time magazine obtained and made public an internal Army Corps of Engineers e-mail from March 2003, reporting that the initial contract award to Halliburton had been “coordinated” with the office of Vice President Cheney.



* Later in June, press reports confirmed that a Bush political appointee, Michael Mobbs, was the Pentagon official who decided to award the initial planning job to KBR which facilitated its selection for the subsequent $7 billion implementation contract.



* In July 2004, a federal grand jury subpoenaed records of Halliburton’s subsidiary in the Cayman Islands, as part of an investigation into illicit dealings with Iran.



* In August 2004, a Pentagon audit found that $1.8 billion in billion by KBR for work in Iraq was inadequately documented and potentially unjustified. The Pentagon initially said it would withhold 15 percent of scheduled payments to KBR pending the result of an investigation—the usual procedure in such cases—but reversed the decision two days later.



* In September 2004, a federal judge in Dallas rejected a proposed $6 million settlement of a lawsuit by Halliburton stockholders charging the company with accounting fraud, suggesting that the penalty was far too small.



There's more. Much more.
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LVdem Donating Member (375 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 11:20 PM
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16. LOSER
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 11:21 PM
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17. As the idiot son of an asshole
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fidgeting wildly Donating Member (335 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 11:21 PM
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19. WORST. PRESIDENT. EVER. n/t
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 11:22 PM
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20. History will be kind to him
Right now he is a fucking jerkoff asshole

In ten years he'll merely be an asshole.

The vitriol will have abated with time.
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exsoccermom Donating Member (169 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 11:22 PM
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21. Well, he will be shown with an asterisk
(but we have all know that sense he was selected). I really don't think there will be anything positive. In reality, he did not handle 9/11 that well (everyone just wanted someone to cling to). He did really badly on everything else.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 11:22 PM
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22. Miserable Failure!
How can there possibly be any successes? He stole the 2000 election. That is well documented! He invaded a sovereign nation who was never a threat to the United States. What of any of his actions would deem him a success?
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DemFromMem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 11:23 PM
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23. He'll be fighting with Warren Harding for the title of worse ever
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quaoar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 11:23 PM
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24. I think he will be put somewhere between
Herbert Hoover and James Buchanan.
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Joe Turner Donating Member (374 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 11:24 PM
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25. Worst President Ever
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sduncang Donating Member (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 11:28 PM
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27. Possibly the WORST Presdent....
I know he's the worst in my lifetime...
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shelley806 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 11:29 PM
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29. AGREE THE WORST PRESIDENT NON PRESIDENT EVER
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feistydem Donating Member (994 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 11:29 PM
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28. So, NO SUCCESSES for 'W whatsoever?
I know I can't think of any. But will historians come up with one success?

Will they call prescription drugs a success (as in "it was a start") just to throw him a bone?

Will Afghanistan be thought as his success?

Or will it be him standing on the Trade Towers' rubble with the megaphone and the fireman?
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 11:30 PM
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30. Emporer Nero Bush
Best case scenario: The worst president in U.S. History.
Worst case scenario: The president who initiated the USA's great decline.
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Technowitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 11:42 PM
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32. He'll be assigned an asterisk
Unelected, unconstitutional, and a war criminal to boot.

Oh, and people will begin debating whether the dementia really did begin before or really got rolling after he took office.

Emphasis on the word "took".

-Technowitch
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chieftain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 11:45 PM
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33. He will be thought of as a total failure
who endangered world peace , attempted to dismantle the social safety net established by FDR , despoiled the environment and allowed crooks and charlatans to loot the US treasury and good name .
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MaineYooper Donating Member (555 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 11:46 PM
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34. just ask google
another vote for "miserable failure"

greatest failure 1: deficits as far as the eye can see
greatest failure 2: squandering all the good will (international and domestic) post-9/11
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 11:47 PM
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35. Guilty on all counts --------n/t
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 11:51 PM
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36. as a pretty nondescript inmate
at a federal prison institution, I hope.
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morcatknits Donating Member (128 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 11:57 PM
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37. Bush Already Evaluated
One historian says he is the dumbest president since his distant cousin Franklin Pierce (Bar's side of the family), and the worst president ever.
morcatknits
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seraph Donating Member (895 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 12:03 AM
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40. Worse than Nixon. (nt)
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jacksonian Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 12:03 AM
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41. worst pres ever
look, just in my lifetime:

Bush41 - he was bad. Read my lips, Clarence Thomas, the thousand points of light nonsense, Noreiga, fiddling while the economy burned, not in the loop.

But he was nowhere near the worst pres of my life.

Reagan - he was worse. Exploding deficits and military budgets. Just say no to the war on drugs. The rise of the religious right. James Watt, Edwin Meese. Iran-Contra. Trees cause pollution.

But he was nowhere near the worst pres of my life.

Nixon - may have been Johnson's war, but Nixon really turned up the death. Cambodia. Henry Kissinger. Secret peace plans. Wage/price conrols. Abe Fortas. And I haven't even mentioned Watergate: I am not a crook, the enemies list, Saturday Night Massacre, or Rosemary Woods. Liddy & the Plumbers. The only President to ever have to resign.

But Richard Nixon looks like a balanced man next to *. Incredible. Worst? Harding, forget it he's just a piker; Buchanon was a real dandy and maybe he'll rest easier now his record has been broken by Junior. Worst pres in American history indeed, I would wish no leader like this on anyone's history.
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feistydem Donating Member (994 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 12:17 AM
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45. I feel an 'amen' coming on to what you wrote.
"I would wish no leader like this on anyone's history."

Me either.
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SiouxJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 12:12 AM
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42. Everything will eventually come out about what they were doing
(I mean, the general public will know, not just the well informed)and they will be remembered as the most corrupt admin. we've ever had.

I see their only success being getting people to actually care about voting again.
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andino Donating Member (668 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 12:13 AM
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43. Nut
n/t
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PerfectSage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 12:16 AM
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44. WPOTUSE
Dumbshit will go down in history as: Worst President of the United States Ever.

Greatest Failures: All of them? ;)

Iraq & Afghanistan quagmires and the resulting loss of American, Afghanis and Iraqi lives.

Big Red Wreck: Ruined the Republican party, the same way Brian Mulroney ruined the RW Progressive Conservative party in Canada. ie despised and split in two wings. Actually this will be his only success. ;)

The hugh(freep spell)deficits he racked up will bite America in the ass over the next few years. ie poor economic growth, low job creation, bearish stock markets and possible US dollar currency crisis.

High oil prices because of supply/demand imbalances caused by loss of Iraqi oil production due to Iraq becoming failed state or close to it.

IMO, the ulterior motive of the invasion of Iraq was about cheap oil for an economic recovery in America and so that Dumbshit could run as a succesful war president in 2004. He failed to achieve both objectives.;) He could have won in 2004 if he had succeded.

To sum it up, Dumbshit will go down in history as WPOTUSE, because of economic, military and geopolitical failures leaving K/E a real nice mess to clean up. If Dumbshit was traveling at the speed of light would he be the infinite WPOTUSE?

ie Dumbshit = WPOTUSE * C squared :mad:

K/E 8 Mo' Years :party::toast:
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missouri dem Donating Member (298 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 12:28 AM
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46. Bush is in a class all by himself.
Willfully stupid and arrogant who has fubar everything he has come in

contact with. Sets a new standard. First president who doesn't/can't

read. Megalomaniac Messianic psychopath filled with repressed anger

who was also a compulsive liar.

Other than that he will never have any competition for worst

President ever.
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