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quaoar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 12:42 AM
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'Support for Bush is about resentment'
When did Tom Wolfe drink the Kool Aid?
I never realized he was such a raving Freeper.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections2004/story/0,13918,1340525,00.html

"Here is an example of the situation in America," he says: "Tina Brown wrote in her column that she was at a dinner where a group of media heavyweights were discussing, during dessert, what they could do to stop Bush. Then a waiter announces that he is from the suburbs, and will vote for Bush. And ... Tina's reaction is: 'How can we persuade these people not to vote for Bush?' I draw the opposite lesson: that Tina and her circle in the media do not have a clue about the rest of the United States. You are considered twisted and retarded if you support Bush in this election. I have never come across a candidate who is so reviled. Reagan was sniggered it, but this is personal, real hatred.

"Indeed, I was at a similar dinner, listening to the same conversation, and said: 'If all else fails, you can vote for Bush.' People looked at me as if I had just said: 'Oh, I forgot to tell you, I am a child molester.' I would vote for Bush if for no other reason than to be at the airport waving off all the people who say they are going to London if he wins again. Someone has got to stay behind."

Where does it come from, this endorsement of the most conservative administration within living memory? Of this president who champions the right and the rich, who has taken America into the mire of war, and seeks re-election tomorrow? Wolfe's eyes resume the expression of detached Southern elegance.

"I think support for Bush is about not wanting to be led by East-coast pretensions. It is about not wanting to be led by people who are forever trying to force their twisted sense of morality onto us, which is a non-morality. That is constantly done, and there is real resentment. Support for Bush is about resentment in the so-called 'red states' - a confusing term to Guardian readers, I agree - which here means, literally, middle America. I come from one of those states myself, Virginia. It's the same resentment, indeed, as that against your own newspaper when it sent emails targeting individuals in an American county." Wolfe laughs as he chastises. "No one cares to have outsiders or foreigners butting into their affairs. I'm sure that even many of those Iraqis who were cheering the fall of Saddam now object to our being there. As I said, I do not think the excursion is going well."
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 12:44 AM
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1. Tom Wolfe...
... has been of this opinion for some time. The only explanation I have is that he's completely forgotten how to have fun. :shrug:
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quaoar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 12:46 AM
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2. Either that, or...
he hasn't gotten laid in a very long time, which is the same thing.
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Borgnine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 12:48 AM
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3. The name says it all.
TOM WOLFE. BE AFRAID!
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chefgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 12:48 AM
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4. Oh please...
>> I'm sure that even many of those Iraqis who were cheering the fall of Saddam now object to our being there. <<

Gee, ya think??

-chef-
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Ellen Forradalom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 12:48 AM
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5. The second bolded paragraph
is a reasonable observation. He's pointing out a cultural divide of long standing. This divide is seen here at DU when Freepers are pilloried as white trash and when Bush mentions the French to invoke an image of all that is effete and elitist.
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 12:49 AM
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6. "I do not think the excursion is going well."
Huh. Iraq may not be "going well," Wolfe thinks. Is he really that stupid or is he just insane? :freak: Oh, wait, I get it -- he's just a moran.
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Soup Bean Donating Member (757 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 12:53 AM
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7. Resentment from the Red States.
"Red State" mentality controls all four branches of government, which includes the media.

It's wrongheaded, and it's dying. And I think anyone who votes for Bush is delusional and ill-informed.
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pelagius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 12:57 AM
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9. Resentment? Hell, most of the Red States...
...are net _receivers_ of federal revenue while blue states are net _givers_. If "gubbermint" finally gets off the red states' back, they'll go broke.
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Soup Bean Donating Member (757 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 01:02 AM
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11. I see it every day.
I live in a VERY red part of a (marginally) red state (Tennessee). I live in the Appalachian Mountains, which wouldn't be possible without TVA, the Appalachian Regional Commission, the USDA's Rural Development and all the low interest grants and loans program the state and federal government administer.

We have received 2,500,000.00 in grant money to extend water lines to 225 homes. That works out (after other factors are considered) to around $11,000 per connection.

So, obviously, they all hate the government. But they like Social Security, Medicare, Tenncare, and everything else.

I could just scream. It's all God, Guns, and Gays.
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pelagius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 01:09 AM
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12. Yep. Ask a typical "no tax" guy what _he's_ willing to give up...
...and he'll explain why his payouts are totally justified. It's the other guy's that create the problem.
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 12:55 AM
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8. This article is bullshit, it's the right wingers trying to impose their...
religion on the rest of the country!

Read this:

It is about not wanting to be led by people who are forever trying to force their twisted sense of morality onto us, which is a non-morality.

His logic is that by not imposing morals on other people, by living and let live, liberals are actually the ones imposing morals on everyone else.

The right wingers who are trying to force their religion on others aren't the bad guys, it's the people who aren't trying to force their will on others that are bad. How twisted is the author's world view?

Liberals do not try to impose their religion on these middle of the country right wingers. The right wingers are the ones trying to impose their morals on everyone else, in the U.S. and outside the U.S.

The premise of the article is so flawed why bother reading the rest?
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 12:59 AM
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10. "You are considered twisted and retarded if you support Bush in this
election."

"You are considered twisted and retarded if you support Bush in this election."

Good point.



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LiberalAndProud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 01:12 AM
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13. Best example of amoral mentality I've read in recent times.
Comments on society without drawing any conclusions. Wonder if he means it? Never mind, won't be buying any Wolfe books anyway.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 01:15 AM
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14. "vote your resentments"
What a campaign slogan. Yes they resent "elitist liberals", because they've been led to believe "elitist liberals" are something they're not. It's the old southern strategy and Tom Wolfe ought to be smarter than to buy into it. Poor Tom thinks if he looks to the left 1 degree, he'll turn into one of them flamin' homos so he clings to his "Christian moral values", which he admits are hate and resentment. :crazy:
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 01:16 AM
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15. The problem I have with this
(granted it is written from this guy's perspective so that has to be considered first)...why is he trying to promote/advance the liberal media conspiracy that Tina Brown et al have the power to change the mind of Americans? And second, he "thinks supports for Bush is..." Well, that is solely opinion with no basis on fact.
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maxudargo Donating Member (306 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 01:21 AM
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16. So Bush supporters are a bunch of childish, angry, resentful babies.
Ok, Mr. Wolfe. Thanks for clarifying that.
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Peanut Gallery Donating Member (325 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 01:24 AM
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17. "force their non-morality on us"
Edited on Tue Nov-02-04 01:26 AM by Ravenswood
How do you force "non-morality" on someone? Last time I checked we still had freedom of religion in this country.
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