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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 04:41 AM
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"family values" assholes that pick on "liberal" Massachusetts? SURPRISE!
Those "family values" assholes that like to pick on "liberal" Massachusetts (like, um, President Bush) are in for a surprise.

PRESIDENT Bush and Vice President Cheney make reference to "Massachusetts liberals" as if they were referring to people with some kind of disease. I decided it was time to do some research on these people, and here is what I found.
The state with the lowest divorce rate in the nation is Massachusetts. At latest count it had a divorce rate of 2.4 per 1,000 population, while the rate for Texas was 4.1.

But don't take the US government's word for it. Take a look at the findings from the George Barna Research Group. George Barna, a born-again Christian whose company is in Ventura, Calif., found that Massachusetts does indeed have the lowest divorce rate among all 50 states. More disturbing was the finding that born-again Christians have among the highest divorce rates.

The Associated Press, using data supplied by the US Census Bureau, found that the highest divorce rates are to be found in the Bible Belt. The AP report stated that "the divorce rates in these conservative states are roughly 50 percent above the national average of 4.2 per thousand people."

All that talk about "family values" is just that -- talk. It is states like the oft demonized Massachusetts that lead the way in true family values.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/11/2/0145/25068

Just more total lying and total hypocrisy from the ignorant and always-wrong rightwingnuts.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 04:43 AM
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1. not a surprise, Lynn
us Dems in "red states" know exactly what a farce the "family values" bullshit is - just read the police blotter of any rural small town paper.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 04:46 AM
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2. A lot of rural child molesters
A lot of toothless wonders with no morals
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 04:59 AM
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4. lots of wife beating too
nt
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 05:18 AM
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9. Especially if she "won't shut her mouth"
Seen a lot of this in the "sticks"
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luaneryder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 05:48 AM
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12. Having just moved from the deep woods
I can attest to the high divorce rate, intimidation of females, physical and mental abuse inside mariage, rampant drug use, high unemployment and underemployment. The preachers at the local churches don't help with their "women must be submissive to their husbands" spew. I had a local handyman who was honest and hard working, but when I asked him something about his wife he said she "would do what she's told" in all matters. It's a different world in many rural areas, almost 100 years back in time in attitude and outlook. I loved the beauty of the natural suroundings there, but I'm damn glad to get back to civilization again.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 06:00 AM
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15. They will peer out of their Tar Paper Shacks and vote for Chimpy
Edited on Tue Nov-02-04 06:10 AM by saigon68
Because they believe Kerry will take their guns and the CHIMPANZEE won't. Also don't be a black man in the military coming back from leave who is stationed in the north woods at some Air force base. and have CAR TROUBLE.

These people are highly suspicious of "Darkies"




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ogradda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 04:54 AM
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3. they're a bunch of damn hypocrites
mumbling pious bullshit while fucking the every one over. if they actually touched a bible it would probably burst into flame.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 05:02 AM
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5. don't you know that in the US it's all about acting 'as if'??
Edited on Tue Nov-02-04 05:03 AM by crozet4clark
as if you are better, richer, patrioticker, moraler, etc. I could go on ad nauseum.

In the words of my 22 yr. old: 'Those who live in glass houses should not dress in living room.'
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Is It Fascism Yet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 05:09 AM
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6. you know it really isn't their fault
Edited on Tue Nov-02-04 05:09 AM by Is It Fascism Yet
there is so much mercury in our water, lead in our lipstick and propaganda in our news that i guess we can't blame people who have ingested all of this for being so damned stupid.
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progdonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 05:14 AM
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7. Born-again Christians
More disturbing was the finding that born-again Christians have among the highest divorce rates.

Hardly surprising, as the very concept of being "born again" implies that you have a higher than average number of personal problems that you wish to deny or repress. It's one of the most basic tenets of all cults: your formal self is denied and replaced by a new "cult" self.

Show me a born-again Christian, and I'll show you someone from a broken home, a victim of sexual/verbal/physical abuse, a drug addict, an alcoholic (ahem...*), etc.

Just because you got dunked in a pool of water and start talking about Jesus all time does not mean that you are cured of any psychological handicaps.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 05:45 AM
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11. born-again Christians
are an even bigger pain in the ass the second time around
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Nomad559 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 05:16 AM
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8. The Barna Research Firm
http://www.worthynews.com/news-features/christian-divorce-rate.html

The Barna Research Firm is defending a recent survey which found some disturbing statistics regarding born-again Christians and divorce. The survey found that born-again Christians were just as likely as non-believers to divorce.

In fact, the survey found that the divorce rate is higher for Christians when compared with non-believers.
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Barna surveys on evangelical Christians

http://www.datalounge.com/datalounge/news/record.html?record=20398

The American Family Association, a far right lobbying group in Washington, released results from a recent survey that shows mainstream Americans see evangelical Christians as one of the least likeable groups in the country.

Researchers from the Barna survey asked respondents how they felt about evangelicals, born-again Christians, ministers, and other groups of people in society. According to the survey, evangelicals came in tenth out of eleven, narrowly beating out prostitutes.



http://headlines.agapepress.org/archive/12/afa/62002a.asp

A new survey shows that adults with no connection to the Christian faith have low opinions of evangelicals. The researcher who conducted the study believes that may be one reason why churches are not growing.

The Barna survey asked respondents how they felt about evangelicals, born-again Christians, ministers, and other types of people. According to the survey, evangelicals came in tenth out of eleven, trailing lesbians and lawyers but beating out prostitutes.



http://www.ptm.org/01PT/JanFeb/GAcommentary.htm

A friend of mine just returned from a conference reporting disturbing results from a new survey. North Americans were asked to name the type of individual they would least like to have as a next door neighbor. The most feared and least liked next door neighbor -- a serial killer, a drug dealer or a terrorist? Not according to this survey!

The number one, least liked and most feared potential next-door neighbor (imagine a drumroll here) -- a conservative Christian!



http://www.worldvision.org/worldvision/pr.nsf/stable/new_barna

A new survey shows that evangelicals less likely than other Americans to help children orphaned by AIDS.

The survey of more than 1,000 adults, sponsored by World Vision and conducted by the California-based Barna Research Group, found that 3 percent of evangelicals said they "definitely" would help children orphaned because of AIDS, compared with 5 percent of all respondents.



http://www.connectionmagazine.org/archives_old/archives/2000/oct2000/disturbing.htm

Americans have been called the most religious population on earth. But a new study shows that only a minority of adults strongly hold opinions that line up with scripture.

A recent Barna Research survey showed that 60% of all adults agree that the Bible is totally accurate in all it teaches. However, people's knowledge of the content actually taught in the Bible often falls short. For example, 53% of people believe the Bible teaches that God helps those who help themselves. Forty-one percent agreed that the Holy Spirit is not real, but a symbol of God's presence.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 05:24 AM
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10. evangelicals came in tenth out of eleven,
Edited on Tue Nov-02-04 05:25 AM by LynnTheDem
trailing lesbians and lawyers but beating out prostitutes.

ROTFL!!!

(By the way, freepers, you came in below them all.)
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 05:52 AM
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13. Isn't there a discernible correlation between the degree to which...
...one places all of their life choices into the hands of their faith, and mental illness?

I'd bet there is a correlation...
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Is It Fascism Yet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 05:54 AM
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14. sounds like aeasonable assumption
anyway these folks should remember...jesus was a liberal! goddammit!
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