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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 11:34 PM
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Why is this even close?
Edited on Tue Nov-02-04 11:43 PM by Cronus
Now that the topic can do no harm, I'm wondering how we can do better. We all know that Democratic principles have been to the benefit of all Americans, and particularly the ordinary citizen, yet half the damn country votes for the people who will rape and pillage the ordinary citizen for their own ends.

We're not reaching ordinary people well enough. We need to do better. What could we do better next time? Obviously, to gain and control more media channels would have to be a paramount objective. What else?
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Kathleen04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 11:36 PM
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1. We NEED to reach out to rural voters
Absolutely essential. It is going to take alot of work and time.
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greblc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 11:40 PM
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2. Agreed. They don't seem to understand that they are being played.
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dennis4868 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 11:42 PM
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4. no....
WE NEED TO HATE GAYS AND LOVE GOD AND GUNS, then we have a chance to win....really sad!
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kwolf68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 11:41 PM
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3. Values, Moral Issues

I heard a lot of this bullshit today on NPR.
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 11:42 PM
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5. Democratics have the upper hand in morals and values
Republicans are hooligans with no morals and values not much higher than the gutter. How come poeple don't know that?
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Atlant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 11:44 PM
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7. Perhaps that reflects the true nature...
> Republicans are hooligans with no morals and values not much higher
> than the gutter. How come poeple don't know that?

Perhaps that reflects the true nature of a lot of
the American electorate?

Atlant
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 11:48 PM
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14. You know, that makes sense
Perhaps they're voting for people just like themselves...

...but if that were true, why do they pretend to be like us, compassionate and thoughtful?
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kitkatrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 11:54 PM
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17. Two words: Cognitive Dissonance
They've lied to themselves for so long that they believe it on the outside. But the inside always reveals itself and is subconciously trying to make it better by voting in accordance with one's true feelings.
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Julien Sorel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 11:46 PM
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9. Because people are mentally lazy.
One side thumps the bible, so everyone assumes they have "morals." You need look no further than the lives of Kerry and Bush, or the umpteen scandals that always seem to hit Republicans, to know that's wrong, but the perception is reality when it comes to something impossible to clearly define like "morality."
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 11:43 PM
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6. The only logical answer is because human nature is devolving not
evolving
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 11:45 PM
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8. Because stupid people won't stop breeding?
:shrug:

Okay, that was rude, but I'm kind of ticked off right now.
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kitkatrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 11:50 PM
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16. You know, in my genetics class
my teacher said that a student commmented to her that the more educated people were having fewer children and the less educated people were having more, so that the genetic equilibrium was shifting and not in a good way. Such fun for the human species and the world. Whoopee.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 11:46 PM
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10. 1. US State Media; 2. US Stoopid People; 3. US State Media
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Zuni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 11:47 PM
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11. media failure, voter fraud, the Bible belt
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 11:47 PM
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12. We need an effective Southern strategy.
Outreach and dialogue with Southern voters, to start with.
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JHBowden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 11:48 PM
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13. We need an ideology.
Pragmatism and defining ourselves by what we are against won't cut it. We need a set of organizing principles which package our ideas and set our agenda.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 11:50 PM
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15. Have a little faith
I do. Although that doesn't mean we don't need to rethink.
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 11:56 PM
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18. Ths country needs to be able to spot a tyrant and eject him
Just like a teenager deals with a zit. The fact that this is even close is a place we need to be FAR from by the next election. Squeaking by isn't a good long-term strategy, and neither is the unthinkable.

So have faith, but faith without work is just a wish, and prayer without action is no prayer at all. Let's work on making the story of our times unfold according to our ways, not theirs. So yes, a rethink is just what is called for. :)
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PatriotGames Donating Member (896 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 11:57 PM
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19. Because 50% of Americans are fucking stupid.
Edited on Tue Nov-02-04 11:58 PM by PatriotGames
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JHBowden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:06 AM
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21. While the Republicans can tell lies about us,
we need to tell the truth about them. In addition, you're right, we have to call them on the "liberals want to raise your taxes, take away your guns, surrender to terrorists" shit they like to make up.
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Tomee450 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:09 AM
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22. It bothers me to say it
BUT I think race is a large factor in the devotion of many Americans to the Republican party.
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:11 AM
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23. Race and Religion too, no doubt
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MrTriumph Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:14 AM
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24. A bland Dem. Nat'l Convention & the Gay marriage issue
The Dem. Nat'l Convention was a momentum buster.

The gay marriage issue.
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