Democrats won't win until we learn to put TRUTH ahead of EXPEDIENCY.

The most important issues are not what corporate media pretends they are. In fact, one of the most important issues is the megalithic influence of corporate media itself. Nationally prominent Democrats keep trying to play on whatever field corporate media generated "conventional wisdom" presents them with. And by corporate media's very well-planned design, that's quite clearing a losing game.

How can we solve the real issues without nominating candidates with the guts to honestly discuss them?

Corporate Media's Spin-opoly
Easily Rigged, Unauditable Voting Machines & Basic Voting Rights
Basic Economic Justice & the Ever Widening Disparity Between the Rich & the Poor
Defense Contractor Profiteering-Driven "War on Terra" Propaganda
The Dangers of Theocracy

Of course the exit polls were right. Of course the unauditable fraud-o-matic voting machines rigged the results at least 5% FOR Bush. But without nominating a candidate with the guts to even make this an issue BEFORE the election, how in the world can we expect such an argument to be taken seriously after the fact -- especially considering the corporate media filters arrayed against us?

Our representatives need to REPRESENT us... everyone believes.

our understanding of the process to the avantage of all.

Let's start with facts... Facts I have pointed out ad infinitum and ad museum and facts that have been vindicated in the end:


-America is a center-right nation...

-America is the most conservative industrialized nation in the world


-the votes are in the middle... always have... always willl be... hold your base if you're a Dem and get enough to the right of it and win...vice versa for pugs....

How the hell do you steal 3,000,000 votes?

The problem with folks on the left and the right is they only talk to people who think like themselves and get their own views shouted back at them...

That brought out a lot of fundamentalist Christians.

and they still used it against him! How do you fight against lies and deception?

BILL CLINTON. Jimmy Carter in 1976.

Get a grip. The results were obviously rigged.

1) The results were rigged. You can steal as many votes as you want with the greatest of ease when you "count" them with unauditable fraud-o-matic machines. All you need is some sort of bullshit storyline to explain why the exit polls were so "flawed."

2) The corporate media's "left/right" spectrum that you've implicitly bought into is complete bullshit.

3) The electorate CAN be educated, invigorated and expanded by the right candidate with the right message.

4) When the Repukes were losing big in the 1970's, did they turn things around by moving to the left to attract "the votes in the middle" or by mobilizing their true believers to redefine the playing field?

to set the stage for the steal. The sheer numbers of people turning out for Kerry in the swing states far exceeded the Bush people. And the Bush crowds were filled with lots of children. The Kerry crowds were filled with folks who were going to vote. Say what you will, but they found a way to steal it again.

But they are stuck with a broken country that will not easily be fixed. And they won't be able to blame it on the Dems. Sit back and relax.

Where's the empirical evidence that 3,400,000 votes were stolen...


And I'm not going to play the proverbial prove a negative game...


America is a center right nation... Two hundred years of American exceptionalism tell us that and the fact that America has the most meager welfare state in the industrial world with the possible exception of Japan confirms it....


The electorate can be educated.... We are 0 for 26 in the south in the past two elections.... I don't think we won a Rocky Mountain state in my generation...


Again with mobilizing the base.... We garnered every left of center vote to be had and still lost...


As to the Pugs their base is nowhere near fifty percent... Probably 35-40% but they are more successful in competing for the last 10-15%...

When the Repukes were losing big in the 1970's, did they turn things around by moving to the left to attract "the votes in the middle" or by mobilizing to redefine the playing field?

20% liberal


40% moderate


40% conservative


Obvioulsy our base can't get it done....


If there was this mass of left wing voters to be mobilized why did ant-gay measures pass in ten states by super majorities?


Faith based politics will never get it done...

common?

They're all bullshit corporate media created non-issues blown out of proportion to keep the bottom 98% busy fighting each other while the top 2% continue to rob us blind.

If you want to keep playing their bullshit losing game, get the fuck out of my party.

just enough to tip Florida convincingly.

DLC and DNC jointly trying to pitch the Democratic party's tent with the big corporation - trying to match the reThuglican party's servility. The Democratic party has not made enough effort, like of years gone by, to identify strongly with the middle and low class. Rather it pays lip service to our needs while cavorting with the big corporation and hardly challenging their demands for more slice of the national pie. And in the end, these corporation are going to side with the reThugs because that is the party that they have complete control of from top to bottom. Now we are in danger of them riding roughshod all over us in the next 4 years. We, the ordinary ones, may have to become extra-ordinarily brave and determined to take the bruises and still stand to challenge and stop them with-or-without the formal backing of the Democratic party.

..but you just neatly summarized Nader's message. Not meant as a criticism, just stating a simple fact. It seems to me that most folks on this board are progressives like Nader, not Democrats in the Terry MacAuliffe/DLC mode, or, worse, like my Senator Joe Lieberman, co-chair of the revived Committee on the Present Danger.http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Committee_on_the_Present_Danger

The Democratic Party heirarchy has not yet accepted the role of the Opposition, and continues to advance the notion that victory is possible only by appealing to the 'center' . Hello! There is no 'center'. Me, I'm on the left and proud of it, and the sooner our party leadership gets over here, the better.

2) Which are easier to rig, exit poll results or unauditable fraud-o-matic voting machine results?

3) You, like Kerry and Gore, are trying to win by playing corporate media's losing game. Best of luck to all of you lovable losers, but as far as I am concerned, if you haven't learned to get your head out of corporate media's ass by now, you can get the fuck out of my party.

I have walked precints,contributed time and money, served as an alternate delegate, spent election nights in gubernatorial candidate's homes waiting for election returns to come in...


btw, I do know a party and candidate who rejects reality based solutions in favor of faith based ones...

finger-in-the-wind losers to the curb.

btw, I do know a party and candidate who rejects reality based solutions in favor of faith based ones...

And your point is what? That what you call "faith based solutions" never win elections? That only milquetoast compromising in the face of your defeatist corporate media-induced "realities" can result in the kind of resounding victories the Democratic Party experienced in the last two national elections?

proof of the fraud. If it happened, it will come out eventually.

So what?