Revenge on the Red States!!!!!

While you nilly-pillies are sitting around here crowing about uncounted ballots (sorry, just kidding -- I know it's serious, but I thought maybe that would get a chuckle), your beloved (am I?) Cats Against Frist has hatched a plan to take the country back.

You know how that map of donor v. recipient states was floating around, and we were all taking turns trashing on the knuckledraggers in the red states for scamming our tax dollars to pay for their shit, while they're crowing about "not taking welfare?"

Two other clues, I'll give you:

1. People around here keep saying that if we're going to turn this thing around on the crazies of the right, we have to get involved in local government, like they did.

2. The GOP wants to cut federal taxes.

Anyone putting 2+2 together, yet?

OK, I'll tell you -- or I'll hypothesized, since I'm a dream theorist, instead of super pragmatic, but maybe we can do something with this.

We have our blue state senators and representatives go hog wild on letting the GOP have any federal tax cuts that it wants.

Since we outnumber knuckledraggers in our blue states, we become very active in state government, and get our voters out to support increases in STATE income tax, which, since we control all local and state government, we can allocate however we want.

Now, we are donor states by quite a bit, and with the extra money staying within the state, and not flowing out to the Bible belt, we might be able to lower taxes on corporations and businesses, as INCENTIVE to get them to move there -- more jobs.

This would make up for the fact that even though the donor states are more populous with low-income people -- wait! The data shows that there are actually MORE poor people in the red states than the blue states, despite what sterotypes may assume.

So here's the grandmaster plan:

We move enough people out of blue states to "barely red states" like Ohio and push verrrrrrrrrrrryyyyyy hard -- all of us, for people to participate in local government. MOST of the best, high-income states are already blue ANYWAY, so we will hold most of the clout -- technology and resource-wise.* We help the red states abolish federal taxes -- (which their supporters are so happy to abolish the federal government, they'd support, even though it would screw them -- THANKS RUSH!!!!) -- shift the income to state taxes, with which we can make our societies a little bit better -- and damn it! get back the money that we're paying to those welfare red states for our own communities -- and then offer large tax breaks and incentives to businesses that will provide us with lots of jobs.

Sound like a plan?

*This solution actually gets AROUND the libertarian problem of de-centralization, perhaps concentrating wealth in the red states. I don't know why I didn't think of it.

Shoot holes in my theory, if you wish.

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My money is on this -- I think the odds are that the GOP is more manipulating the religious vote than it is serious about letting them go through with their Christian Reconstructionist plans -- for now. Eventually, the right will breed "super Christians," who will hold both the money reigns and the power -- but that's a few decades off.

My bet is that a large enough percentage of Republicans only vote GOP because of their wallet (the moderates) -- and that we could maybe get them on board.

i live in georgia, so i'm redder than red right now.


i sorta of like your idea, altho it screws me in the short-term, but we need to do something.


as far as religion goes, we've just got to keep treating it like a non-issue. trot out jefferson and the constitution every chance you get, if people want there second amendment rights they have to accept the entire set of founding priniciples. this ain't the bible, and you can't cherry pick.

hopefully you can re-locate. If you're willing to work hard in a blue state, I'm sure the Liberal Relocation Bureau will assist you with getting set up.

:)

that legislation should be passed so that a state can't take more money from the fed. treasury than it contributes - much quicker results.

I may need to consult the Bureau. We're talking about taking the break from school during Thanksgiving and visiting VT.

The GOP porkmeisters KNOW that they need blue state money to fund their military operations, as well as their hometown projects. It would be much easier to get them to go under restricting the power of taxation of the federal government.

I'll jump on the Posse Comitatus bandwagon, if you will!!!

:)

I'm in Oregon now for 13 years. I lived in Texas, Virginia, Tennessee, North Carolina. No effin' way would I move back there. Those people give me the shivering creeps!

Edit to clarify: the majority who voted for * over there

Sorry about that, my emotions are running ahead of my critical thinking this morning :(

only a "barely red" state -- and there are only a few of them that we would need. We'd only have to go to a couple which are already donor states -- or close, like Florida and OH. I'm not talking about moving to Oklahoma here, kids.

And second -- you want to live under the rise of the right wing? I like the Pac NW too, but I'm in Iowa for a couple of years, and I haven't died, yet.

Let them sink or swim.

there are some kinks, but it might be able to be offset by some other solutions.

but I'm going to believe there's something to this, until someone tells me that there is not.

as long as we don't piss off the world, and they call in our debt or something -- we're still OK, eh?

We only need a few thousand more liberals to make us Blue again. Don't worry about those hurricanes, most of the time the weather is nice (a bit hot and muggy in the summer though)

I've been thinking about this too. California has been pretty much neglected under Bush for Federal tax money. I think it's time we close the bank.

This is the first thing said today that has put a smile on my face.

Interesting plan...go with it.

I think it has possibilities. I keep wanting someone to see it that might get a better sense of if it would really work, or if someone could make the donor/recipient discrepancy work out better than I've thought about it.

Tell your friends.

Get me out of this red hellhole called Alabama.

agenda to our advantage. Cut federal taxes to a bare minimum and make up the difference through state taxes. I like it!!! This way we deny welfare states (Red States) of our hard earned, liberal money. Fuck the redneck poor! Moreover, Blue States can provide their own welfare benefits and health care to their own. Fuck the X-ian poor! Hell, a good many corporate offices and headquarters are located in Blue States. We give them tax breaks to stay.

And I realized -- if we take over the most populous states, then not only could we guarantee all of our senators are blue -- we might be able to control the house of reps, too.

That's it, exactly -- starve them. I would feel sorry for the people left in the states with the Christo-fascists, but they're probably many of the same assholes that didn't get out to vote against Bush, or voted against their best interest.

It's a theory.

So, if you're a blue person in a red state -- pack your bags and move to OH, FLA (which I'm pretty sure are donor states) -- or move to one of the very blue states, which would ensure a clean majority for our agenda.

Will this get me classified as an enemy of the state? I don't think we're breaking any laws. It's like the "free state" New Hampshire thing, yeah?

Most blue-staters don't realize just how much they subsidize bushcountry. I mean, we've got states that send a buck to Washington, and get back a measly 60 cents of it, while the rest disappears into the gaping ungrateful maw of the Alabama peanut farmers, or the like. I think this has strong potential for popularity as a basic fairness issue in the donor states.

Some little known facts about our election here, overshadowed by the failure of our EC split, and a Bush win that was less than 2000...

We added a Dem to the Senate (Salazar), replacing a Repug (Nighthorse Turncoat)
We added a Dem to the House (John Salazar...yeah, his brother) to replace the Fruitcake (Remember him?).

But most important...WE TOOK BACK THE STATE LEGISLATURE! No more gerrymandering from us, and Bush-cronie Gov Owens' agenda of a right to work state is dead in it's tracks! Watch a Dem take the Governorship in 2006.

I like your moniker too !

no thanks.. nor oklahoma, my state voted for Kerry, and the Dems took further control of the legislature. I'm not moving. I say split it into two countries, we can do a high speed train between cali and new york.