Why we really lost - more Americans agree with Bush than with us

We lost because MORE AMERICANS AGREE with Bush than agree with us. Period.

More people in the USA agree with the Iraq War than are against it.

More think that gay marriage should be banned than don't.

More people want this to be a Christian nation than there are people who want it to remain religiously neutral.

More people want crosses in courtrooms than don't.

More people want to go without healthcare than form a "socialist" medical care system.

More people want to be obnoxious to Europe than want to be allies.

We're even getting to the point where more people want to severely limit abortion than provide free access to it.

They WANT it this way.

They LIKE it this way.

The People have spoken.

The only way we are going to come back is if we find NEW arguments and NEW ways to present our beliefs to the public. We're clumsy messengers - we need new media relations and new approaches. We need to pursuade the public that WE are right. We need to convince them.

We don't have to burn the Party to the ground, but we do have to fire all the management and start anew.

We're the ones who are educated and understand that we don't have to bow down to the tyranny of the majority, ESPECIALLY when it is horrendously ignorant and misguided.

Whether you believe that the election was "stolen" or not, the margins of victory in the "red" states, and the slimmer margins in the "blue" states really concern me.

No. It would be easier to deal with if we were simply in the minority in terms of policy position.

But Bush won because he was able to convince the public that he, his policies, and Kerry were something they were not.

It's not the issues. It's the lies that shape perception of the issues.

Why people fall for the lies would be worth thinking about.

But the republican bullshit baffled them into thinking they do.

I feel if it were not for their vote we would win easily. There is no way to win them over. All the liberal churches here in the south are dying and the extreme right wing ones are exploding. Outside of their churches their message boards read, "Vote with your conscience" I ordered some of their literature for free. The horrible things that were said against Democratic candidates were just lies.

feel a lot of it has to do with uneducated or naive people without a large-scale world view. People who are very focused on themselves and people who are not necessarily dumb, but just uneducated. People need to learn to look around and I mean that on both sides. There are a lot of inner city and young people who feel like nobody will help them and they do not understand or trust the idea that their votes will help turn things around. Al ot of the evangelical types are often simple people who go about their business and do not have a worldly view. They like being told what to do and believe. THey are used to it.

i guess i am generalizing and I am not 100% dead on, but it's my opinion that this has a lot to do with it.

Look at 2000.....we had the majority. I think most of them are scared......they didn't want to change leadership (and I use the word very loosely) in the middle of this conflict. The Bushies have pounded fear into their brains. People knew about all of the admin's underhanded coverups.....he won by fear....If Iraq had not been going on the dumbass would have been history.

Fuck them. The only thing I care about now is getting myself and my family through the next four years. I don't give a damn about anyone else now. If my family and I have still have got good jobs and houses after the next four years, maybe I'll start to give a damn again.

Back to school. Time to learn some languages, computer and otherwise, and major in finance or something. Won't be seen by my family a whole hell of a lot. It's the only way. Corporations are going to run rampant now. Offshoring and layoffs will increase twenty-fold. Storagetek just fired my sister's entire floor Monday . . . except for my sister. CEO-to-worker pay ratios are going to rise like a mofo (like it isn't already grossly oversized now).

I'm not going to put myself in a position to be fired, so the only way to do that is to become lifeless and a corporate slave. I really have no hope for dreams, as the heirarchy is now put in place for the world to become subservient to the rich. That includes corporations, fine arts, politics, etc.

Der Republik Uber Alles.

Im not welcomed here.

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The American people have been scared, intimidated, and tricked into voting for Bush.

Osama Bin Laden is taken out of his box three days before the election, when it's been proven that terror threats cause the Presidents approval ratings to jump at least 3 points the week following such announcements.

Republicans use the threat of gay marriage to scare otherwise Democratic voters into voting for Bush. Blacks in particular were tricked into voting for Bush over a non-issue. Kerry and Bush have the same position on gay marriage, both are opposed to it.

Republicans linked Iraq to the war on terror, which held the Presidents approval ratings above 50%. This was of course an outright lie, but they sold it nontheless.

Finally, exit polling results don't match up with actual results. This happens in states with EVoting systems that don't have paper audit trails. Bush has an unexplained 5% boost in his votes in such states.

First, I agree with you that most of the people are sheeple. I also do not believe the fundies are the majority. I do believe that propaganda and hate radio and unscrupulous religious leaders are good at turning out the base. I don't agree that there's no BBV or fraud.

What I do not agree with, the most, however, is that these people can be "reasoned" with. Don't you get it? They're calling for the death of reason.

One of three things is going to have to happen -- we concentrate in the blue states, and bleed the red states until we can secede OR we move out of the fucking country OR (metaphorically speaking) we beat these people back with a stick.

They will not be reasoned with. You do realize that they voted the way that they did, because they expect to be zapped out of their clothes, any day now, while a many-headed beast chomps the rest of us up.

I can't tell you how many times I've heard people talk about the Rapture of the Church during this election. I can't tell you how many people I've heard condemning gays to the fiery pit for daring to change the definition of marriage. You wouldn't BELIEVE the anti-government propaganda.

The schools are underfunded in the South by a huge margin. We're being set up for our poor, uneducated youth to be used as cannon fodder for the coming energy wars.

God, Guns, and Gays. I can't think of a counterstrategy that works on Fundamentalists. You can't change their minds.....more moderate evangelicals, I've found that Farenheit 911 worked pretty well on some of them.

That 51% that supposedly voted for Bush is pretty gullible and not very introspective. Those folks will have to be hit hard with the coming wars and hit hard in their pocketbooks before they change their votes.

I hate to say it, but the only way to win in the near future is to let the Republicans run the country into the ground. We don't have enough of a majority anywhere to stop them. Articulate voices like Obama need to respond to foolish decisions. Kerry, Al Gore, Bill Clinton and the rest will have to be very vocal while the controlled corporate crash of America is underway. It's already happening.....just watch....

... only thing I would add is that a lot of the country, including those folks, have major issues they disagree with rethugs on (not red states, but the midwest and Florida and those places). We definitely need a better message and more message discipline.

This is the end of a dream called America. I'm now officially ashamed of my country. Fifty-one percent of America has EARNED what Bush is going to do to this nation. Goodbye, America.

...but I didn't know we were so mean. We are.

George W. Bush speaks to their fear.

We no longer have the courage to set forth on a new path, we are too afraid of losing what we've got.

more people are against the war then for it.
Most people want "improved access" to healthcare (how you define that is another story)
The country is solidly pro-choice (60% last poll I saw a few months back) although they are willing to accept some limitations.
We have got to better at "framing" the debate.
Why do you think the word "liberal" is dirty. The repukes are masters at this shit. WE MUST get better.