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Zuni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 04:20 AM
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We need to nominate a tough talking populist, not a sophisticated liberal
In my opinion, no one could debate better than Kerry. But on the trail we need a tough talking, ornery populist whippersnapper. We need a guy who won't mince words.
Face it, Kerry is an establishment, new england blueblood. He did a great job when he was able to talk directly to the people like in the debates but he was vulnerable to slurs.
We need a no nonsense, labor union man who will get his hands dirty. One who does not look or act like a liberal but will fight for the people's interests.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 04:26 AM
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1. Such as.....
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JSJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 04:30 AM
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2. someone like mike moore- can't be mike, though- or can it?
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Zuni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 04:31 AM
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3. no. Too controversial.
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JSJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 04:32 AM
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4. correct
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 04:37 AM
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7. Michael Moore is too divisive a character
Edited on Fri Nov-05-04 04:38 AM by Selatius
It'd just become another battle of the bases election pitting core Democratic constituencies against core Republican constituencies.

What's needed is a man who can invoke the vision of the American dream that once was. We need someone who is charismatic as Dean but speaks eloquently like RFK--someone who knows how to make people who care for education, the environment, and health care feel good, someone who knows how to imbue people with a sense of pride and mission.

Regardless, at the end of the day, it is us, the people, who will have to fight for it ourselves. Leaders come and go, and some of the best were gunned down, but the people remain. If anything, remember that.
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Azure Donating Member (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 04:32 AM
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5. Someone like LBJ?
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JSJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 04:35 AM
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6. too corrupt- how's about an actor to play one for us- alec baldwin?
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Zuni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 04:40 AM
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9. Yes, but no Vietnam. A tough Texan with a liberal political philosophy
But not a Johnson clone. He had a lot of flaws, but when it came to passing controversial legislation, he was the best President of the second half of the 20th.
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ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 04:39 AM
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8. We had one
He's damaged goods now. The Democratic Party insiders made sure of that. However, he had some good ideas that I hope people will pick up on.
Build the local organizations and relationships that can take the message right to the people...through their friends and neighbors that they trust.
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Zuni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 04:41 AM
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10. Dean is a step in the right direction
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 04:42 AM
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11. Howard Dean, right?
He came closest to fitting the bill. His rhetoric probably would have appealed to the majority of Americans. I mean, he electrified the Democrats, and he probably would have peeled off a bunch of Republicans if he wasn't destroyed by the news media and the insiders.
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Azure Donating Member (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 04:56 AM
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12. I don't think Edwards is a populist.
Edited on Fri Nov-05-04 04:58 AM by Azure
He tries to be, but he hasn't got that "grit" that a populist needs. Compare plain-spoken, no-bull Johnson with effete Edwards. I like Edwards, but it's like comparing a Texas "man's man" with "the Breck girl." America won't go for it. They still want The Marlboro Man.

We need someone with the "likeability" and "beer buddy factor" of Bush, but with an actual brain and an ability to pass Democratic legislation.

Dean is a possibility, but to be realistic, a southerner like Clinton would be better. Besides, Dean has a "damaged goods" problem of his own, due to the silly media frenzy over the fact that he yelled. Get a little too enthusiastic just once, and you're suddenly a nut-job.
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Zuni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 04:58 AM
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13. We need someone who Red State voters trust
one who is progressive and pro-labor who can speak the same language as a midwesterner.
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Zuni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 05:01 AM
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14. Think Clinton---he took a couple of red States
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ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 05:13 AM
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15. You need to stop focusing on a "savior"
There is no one that can survive the Republican propaganda machine and the enormous grassroots of the fundie churches.
We need to get to work on building the networks and infrastructure of our own.
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