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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 10:08 PM
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Democracy: Puerto Rico, Guam, US virgin islands, American Samoa
So it appears that these "overseas territories" do not have the right
to vote for president, specifically to prevent democracy from
taking hold. Is there a good reason why the american people of
these places do not have constitutional rights to vote for president?
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 10:11 PM
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1. We Should Give Them Idependence If They Want It (nt)
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 10:11 PM
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2. They are not states..just territories..
:)
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 10:24 PM
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4. permanent limbo
Does the democratic party stand for re-enfranchising these people
with voting rights? It strikes me that were voting rights extended
to all american citizens, including those in offshore, legally
obscure territories, that "universal sufferage" would exist.

The district of columbia is not a state, but still has 3 electors
Why not these other places?
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 10:12 PM
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3. Because states vote for the President
not people.
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 10:33 PM
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5. What else is different then
If they don't voting rights, then they don't have to pay taxes, yes?
Is someone born in Puerto Rico issued an american passport? If a
resident of florda moves to PR, do they have any different laws?

Is anyone here on DU a resident of any of these places?
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Heath.Hunnicutt Donating Member (454 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 10:34 PM
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6. Guam is a ginormous naval base, no way we will give it back
We just got done paving it.
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LaReservaPr Donating Member (136 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 10:47 PM
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7. I live in Puerto Rico
And we cannot vote because we dont pay Federal Taxes, we pay taxes to "Hacienda" the government over here.
And besides over here we have this battle of those who want statehood or dont want it. But we can still get Drafted, so if anything happens, im screwed.
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 10:53 PM
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8. Muchas Gracias
Welcome to DU, carlaivette. :toast: And thank you for sharing
that about "Hacienda". Can you tell me why people don't want
statehood? It strikes me that this is taxation without representation
if you can be drafted and must die for a cause you cannot vote in.

Do you have full citizenship otherwise; can you move to any state
and live without issues? Is puerto rico a safe haven from the
bush nazi's? Are the courts the same as the CONUS courts? Do
women have the right to abortion by being outside official statehood?
Is cannabis decriminalized?
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LaReservaPr Donating Member (136 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 11:01 PM
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9. Thanks for the welcome.
Edited on Fri Nov-05-04 11:06 PM by carlaivette
And no it is not a safe haven. Society sucks over here and i cant wait to get out. Local Taxes are high and people here dont tolerate gay people at all and discriminate a lot.and uh i think this is more appropiate to answer your questions.


What is Puerto Rico?
Matt Alsdorf
Posted Friday, Sept. 17, 1999, at 4:46 PM PT


The U.S. took possession of Puerto Rico in 1898 as part of its spoils from the Spanish-American War. Congress governed the Caribbean island directly as a territory until 1952, when it expanded Puerto Rican autonomy by making it a "commonwealth," allowing it to adopt a constitution and create a locally elected government with statelike powers. (Click here for a map of Puerto Rico.)

As a commonwealth, Puerto Rico is subject to all federal laws, and the U.S. Congress reserves the right to repeal any locally enacted legislation. Congress granted Puerto Ricans statutory U.S. citizenship in 1917, which can be revoked, as opposed to constitutional citizenship, which is almost impossible to cancel. Puerto Ricans residing in Puerto Rico cannot vote for president, and the delegate they elect to Congress has no vote. Puerto Rico residents are also exempt from federal income tax but qualify for federal entitlements. And all 18-year-old Puerto Rican males must register for the draft, just like U.S. residents.

Puerto Ricans are free to move to the U.S. where their rights of citizenship become constitutional, affording them the right to vote in all elections. Currently, 2 million Puerto Ricans live in the United States and 4 million live in Puerto Rico.

Commonwealth was designed as a temporary fix, but periodic plebiscites have not resolved what relationship the island's residents want with the U.S. In 1993 and 1998, support was evenly divided between commonwealth status and pursuit of statehood. In both plebiscites, independence got less than 5 percent of the vote. Washington is not likely to formalize Puerto Rico's status until a clearer consensus emerges.

Puerto Rico has benefited economically from being a commonwealth. After World War II, America poured millions of dollars into Puerto Rican development, transforming it from one of the Caribbean's poorest territories to one of the wealthiest. The island still receives $10 billion in assistance (including entitlements) each year. American companies investing in Puerto Rico have long been exempted from income tax, making the island a manufacturing and pharmaceutical center. Congress has begun to phase out the tax exemption, reducing the attractiveness of investment there. If Puerto Rico's commonwealth status becomes more permanent, advocates say that citizenship and economic assistance will, as well. But there is some debate as to whether such guarantees are constitutionally possible.

Statehood advocates desire the benefits of constitutional citizenship, the federal safety net, and the economic stability that will likely follow. Puerto Rican critics of statehood oppose the island's continued dependence on the U.S. and worry that it might eliminate Puerto Rico's Latin culture. (Indeed, some members of Congress have proposed adoption of English as the official language as a prerequisite for statehood.) American critics oppose statehood on fiscal grounds. As a state, Puerto Rico's per capita income would be half that of Mississippi, currently the poorest state. In 1995, the General Accounting Office estimated statehood would cost the U.S. Treasury another $3 billion in annual benefits.

Supporters of Puerto Rican independence advocate continued ties to the U.S., including a free trade pact, a common currency, and joint citizenship. Some also suggest that the U.S. would continue to be responsible for the country's defense. But independence critics dismiss it as unworkable, saying Puerto Rico lacks the infrastructure and natural resources to compete effectively.

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