I would advise Dur's not to use real names...

I know in the moment of such a crisis of unseen proportions rivaling that of 9/11 on November 2 2004, many people get caught in the moment of false courage and bravado unlike anything they have ever experienced...

I myself loved the thread that held so many names but then again, I am no threat. I read many saying let them come get me, they cannot get us all, well, I have news for you, they don't need to round you up all at one time. They can easily find your weak spots and take you down systematically before you realize what hit you..

It is not paranoia my friends, I know these people, I know the way they think. This may sound cliche, but, They cannot be reasoned, they do not feel pity or remorse, and they absolutely will not stop until you are dead or they win, whichever comes first...

Fighting together in front of cameras for all the world to see is one thing, leaving yourselves so open without ones to watch your back is asking for serious trouble...

Please, I am not trying to down some of you, I am oil. I am Texas, I know these minds. They are devious and ruthless, do not go into battle alone and without the armor you need to protect you in a war that will surely not be fought fair...

No offense my friends. Just some friendly advice...

i suspect our isps could be traced if they really wanted to find us...

of letting their passionate anger overide their good sense, who is to say they don't come after you personaly, they can easily find out all they need to know about you, it could be your daughter, your son, your wife, a special friend that they will use against you. They don't play fair, and your on target with the fact that their are ones that can and have used isps to trace someone they wish to mess with...

Just be careful please...Kerry will not come to your rescue if he has no idea that you were even targeted...

country. The second amendment is alive and well; one doesnt have to worry about being known to possess a lethal weapon. But the first amendment is on life-support; one needs to worry about what one says and where. Sad truth.

They might as well be Jack Tales now..

or at least be sure to alert other's that it may need watching..

and I wanted it to be even before Mortos started his thread.

It's just as if we were anybody who writes progressive views and signs their name.

I'm proud to stand up and fight for my Country in my own name!

but it is not just me that I have to worry about...and well, my husband is a full nutcase faux loving b*** loving zealout of extreme proportions..he just does not display this character flaw of his too often in front of me, so therefore, I am not much of a threat seeing as he is the head of this household, I know what many of you will think, but I don't follow him around like some lap dog, I just was not that interested in politics though I have always cared for my fellow American, raising my large brood kept my mind occupied for years and I do have regrets.....

situation..I might think twice..but there's just little 'ol me.

Anyway..glad to have you a Board DU, Aunt Patsy! :toast:

Those who have written LTTE's, those who have made public statements, those who have marched in peace rallys or helped organize GOTV or Meetups, those who have participated in this forum for any length of time...

If you aren't sure, check your personal FBI file under FOIA. I've seen mine several times, and if "they" didn't already know I was a raging liberal and potential gadfly dissenter should this country slip into a facist dictatorship, then someone lost my file, or I haven't been actively political enough.

Haele

for getting one of my anti-DeLay rants published as a LTTE in the Houston Chronicle. If they keep a list, I was already on it. :)

Linking my Chronicle letter to DU poster with a history of blurting things like, "had a blast volunteering at the Morrison campaign today!" and "Please call the ethics committee to take action on DeLay complaint!" shouldn't really come as a shock to anyone.

-Celeste a/k/a Sky

As much as I enjoyed the thread, I'm sure our fascist FRiends have already printed it and have it in hand to make mischief with.

They've already gotten one member here fired, and don't think they'll stop there.

The feds - bah. They could find us anyway, without that thread. Still, it was inspiring to read and good to know we're not going to take it sitting down.

already felt the heat from such. All those arrests the last four years against those that declared thier hatred of the reiging dictator and not much coverage, even with film, editorials, these people are still be harrassed...

So how can you stop such when even the media fails to follow up on such injustices?

:evilgrin:

caught up in the beauty of such courage and it was hard to nay say it....

signed up on DU back in the early days of 2001.

Hi, my name is Walt Starr!

since you are willing to sign your name to them.

I'm not quite as devout as you. You work hard to uncover the truth. I read it and comment - sometimes playing devil's advocate - but, I use my name to keep myself honest, if not always in the best of taste! (Sometimes, I can't help but cuss!)

Anyway, when I see a Walt Starr post, I know it's probably something that needs to be read.

"They cannot be reasoned with, they do not feel pity or remorse
and they absolutely will not stop until you are dead." :-)

I would love to know, from skinner, how many of us have had our
details requested by the homeland nazi's. Fair warning that many
folks on DU have already been investigated would be interesting
to know. My seeing, is that the Nazi-SS keep a list of us
"subversive" writers who dissent, and have already run full traces
on our lives, names or no.

Frankly, were i living in CONUS, i don't think i would write on DU
for fear of the very retribution you mention, which makes it all that
much more important that americans outside of the CONUS-NAZI-network
speak up.

I expect, as well, that the editor, in which we all type, keeps a
full record of all keystrokes typed, including those "erased", and
that this entire log has been handed to the NAZI-SS, or that they
trap the log as it passes through internet servers to the DU server.

Thank you for you wise advise on inaccessability.

namaste,
-s

Besides I'm a pacifist. I'm a person who can not harm anyone physical. I've already declared when I was younger if it came down to killing someone else or losing my own life I'd be the first life lost. This is also why I will not join the military. I'm lucky too that I have a medical reason.

from many of your posts that you were all geared up and ready for a battle. I feel the same, I would lose my life in a second before taking another unless of course, it was in defense of another, I then would have to do what needed to be done and deal with my conscience later.

I am geared up for a fight, but my method is different then physical. I used to practice meditation. I'm a very strong dream master. What do I mean by dream master? Well when I was in practice I could achieve a dream state in less then 10 minutes. I'm out of practice now, however there is still a lot of techniques that I know.

Mind over matter was one of those things I used to study on my own body. I would shock my system with ice cold water to see if I could physically change my body temperature. I'm one of the few people in Texas that could during 20 degree weather go outside in shorts and short sleeve shirts.

I know many won't understand this, but I believe when I die the world will die. Here is the reason why I have that logic: We see from a single prospective. Together we are a collective, but alone we are just one. I see the world through my own eyes and not everyone else's eyes. This means to me the world is birth and death. To me when I die I won't see this world anymore. This is why the world will die when I die in that prospective.

or the quietness that would be needed to experience such bliss as being unaware for even two seconds....

As for your not living any longer on this earth once you pass on, take into account all those you leave behind, the memories of you I am sure will be treasured by some, pictures etc..therefore, if you think about it, in some essence, you don't leave this world, you linger, perhaps in a state of unawareness but linger you shall even if in memory alone...

I agree with your main point.

Also, I think the more public a person is with the truth, the less at-risk that individual is. It becomes too obvious to kill them, ever since JFK. (half-kidding)

But you are right to point out that every person should consider the reality that they risk being tracked down from their name.

If it weren't for my belief in a continuance of spirit after death, I would not have risked using my real name. Because of my spiritual beliefs and what I anticipate about death and the life of the spirit afterward -- more power to them if they off me. Or, more power to us, I really mean.

But something else you said intrigued me. I was wondering if you could PM me? Your is set to bounce.

is having a crisis and I am needed..thats been my life for so many years...catch me another time..

My brother filed suit against J. Edgar Hoover many years ago, and that marked me for life with the government.

Incidentally, my brother won :)

I have said nothing against the law on this board and I never will.

I am an American. As such, I have the RIGHT to free speech and I intend to use it. And, I'm not taking my Kerry stickers off my truck, either. That's another RIGHT I exercised - to vote. I voted for the best man and I'm not ashamed of it.

I AM A DEMOCRAT AND I'M NOT ALONE!

ex-army ex-bouncer gun owner.they wanna piece of me come and get it motherfuckers :mad: signed-george heath

a mama, wronged voter, and handled pushing out two kids with no valium or anything else...fuck with ME:mad:

hehe, just thought Id add that, seeing as how I really do like the big guys on my side :D

Gentleman above you has cracked me up.. LOL LOL

I especially relate to the two kids, born with no meds thingy..THAT is a keeper!!

Very well said....BOTH of you :hi:

I know what you know.

I would hope that they would indeed expose themselves to the world that way - though to be honest I seriously doubt that such a thing could happen. The risk to themselves would far outweigh anything that they could possibly do to us.

I'm sorry, but I question the validity of your concern. Maybe I just don't know enough about the subject; I wish you could be more specific. I am not oil, and I am not Texas. This is alien to me.

administration in very nasty terms, and we noted we were both on cordless phones and that we were probably being listened to from a truck outside our respective homes.

Every few minutes in the conversation I'd yell, "Do you HEAR ME, John Ashcroft? KISS MY ASS!" Just in case he WAS listening. We laughed our butts off. Try it ... it's cathartic.

if the people who participated didn't realize that risk.

edit: this was meant to be a reply to the thread in general, not this response.

And would love to finally see the faces of the crooks who are normally anonymous and unseen.

your Internet provider address... - a unique # assigned to your computer. Unless you're posting from, let's say, the library, if they wanted to know exactly where you live and who you are, they'll find out.

It's a piece of cake to trace hits, trace IP addresses, trace websites
visited and so on.

How do you think they finally nailed Internet pedophiles?

the thing is...it's a lot of work to track on a person.

But, hey, forget about those 2 years worth of intelligence data
that needs to be translated and all of the important stuff...

go after left progressive democrats talking about a free nation.

They may be able to trace to non-US ip addresses, and may know
identities, but to perform a shakedown, they need to convince a
foreign country that an internet blogger is such a danger to national
security that extradition is warranted. As I expect no DU'ers are
really the "enemy", then the threat of police shakedowns is really
just a thuggery tactic used inside the US states.

Sadly the people with the fewest rights are those inside US borders.

There are six people who use this computer and user name, know what I mean?

Oh, if they want to find us, they can. But which of the six is really me?

the point is you have to have an email address to join the DU, even a freebie can be traced back to you eventually if they wanted to badly enough.
Every last one of us that voted blue needs to stand up and be accounted for. If we roll over, and hide, we potentially allow a repeat of history to terrible to contemplate. We stand together or we shall not stand at all.

It is much more fun being anonymous here. Don't worry, in real life we all resist much and obey little.

We've read all your posts and analyzed your usage of language
compared to the high school examinations of the other 5 people,
and your signature way of writing is indicative of who you are.

Granted, its the homeland security nazis who already know that,
and likely skinner has given them the information, as by the
patriot act, he can't tell us, that he has given our details to the
police... but surely the've asked for details on any DU'er with
over 1000 posts.

Made it thru high school and she wishes she had paid more attention in English classes. Besides we ripped the email address off from some stupid idiot that was too nice since he let us use his computer one time. The fool!

Oh, BTW, the one of us who used to post in the 9/11 forum died last month of suspicious causes, leaving just the six.

Keep moving from cave to cave, and don't ever use the same IP
provider twice or they'll stalk you.

In all honesty, any serious "hunter" of terrorists knows that no
real actor will sign on to a board to jaw jaw jaw, when they could
just blow up bombs. If i had chosen that path in life, you would
never have ever heard a word from me, as i would have remained
"covert". That these people have spoken up, they are clearly willing
to talk talk, and put violent means aside... and every word you type
on DU, is no violence done... so they pretty much know that nobody
here is a threat...

Rather the concern is not the security forces, that don't bother
with false positives like "us", it is the republican secret police,
the secret freeper mafia that works for bush, just like those
thugs work for the ayatollah in iran... people who are "set loose"
to destroy other people who oppose political approaches.

Those folks are generally amateurish, and like car thieves, look
for the easiest car to break in to... so i agree with the thread
starter in this regard... setting yourself up as an easy mark leaves
open a certain door for the GOP-nazi-christians to subvert your
life, your credit rating, your good name, your job, your kids as
those folks have no limits on their crimes given what they've done
so far.

Shit, I accidentally typed in my real name instead of an alias while registering (I was so excited)and it can't be changed.


But I'm hiding out in Mexico with the Banditos, so they'll have a hell of time finding me.

own way of keeping off the most wanted list..they would turn you in a heartbeat unless of course like this administration does, you've signed a loyalty pact along with the promise of your blood...

I'll never forget one time that I found myself amidst quite a few of them, this one guy got off his ride leaving his girl still sitting silent on the back and sauntered over to where I stood, he looked me up and down and very suggestedly informed me how good I would look in leather..

Lol, some of them are characters....just don't cross em and you will be fine, luckily my husband also came up beside me and the confrontation was avoided as to my answering him by revealing that I already had an old man ;-)

Too funny........

Gotta confess what I love most about DU IS the wit. Some fine tuned minds in here. Some surprising off the wall stuff that has been such an uplift for me. LOVE IT....MISS IT too.

website after the 2000 election. It was the subject of a major FBI investigation, which Ashcroft dropped after coming into office.

Like use one email address for political stuff not connected to your real name (for instance, don't use it on a petition where you put your real name and email address), and DON'T use it for anything else. You don't want people to be able to Google it and find out about other aspects of your life.

is just better to be careful not to bring such into your own backyard. It is just not the goverment some must worry about, there are a few radicals out there, do any of you recall the incident in Texas where those three white man just for fun drug that poor man to his death?

They did it for their cause, it had nothing to do with knowing this guy, they figured the law would take a back door to this attrociety, I promise you, they honestly believed that...

This fanatics of this wh can be seen in my eyes to be just as evil...

Maybe I am trying to scare some, I can't help it, many of you people are wonderful beautiful caring people and I just hate to see anyone of you hurt in anyway because of a dangerous zealout....

If you had heard some of the horrific deadly rhetoric that I have straight from the horses mouth so to speak, perhaps you would understand why I fear for some of you...

They don't play fair, remember that, and they don't ever work alone, they like thier games to be known by at least one person, otherwise the importance they feel at what they see as doing someone else a good deed goes unknown....

And they do like a bit of noteriety...

They stole this election, but in their eyes they won and they don't take kindly to someone raising a rucus that might endanger their false security...

I agree that they would not go after everyone unless the threat is huger than one anticpates, but they will pick and choose, it's their style...

C-Span even pointed out my location. They know who we are anyway. they really do. When we registered dem or independent we were not with them. I thank you for this thread though, as some were not already out there.

Hey, "they" can find us easier than they can find OBL.

I appreciate the post by the person above you who worries for others in terms of everyday radicals harming people. At this point, I worry for those of you who live in those kinds of areas ... SO FAR, I'm in a liberal, peaceful area; not many radical righties around here.

The worst case scenario for me would be the FEDS., like in being shipped to ... a gulag somewhere.

Read up on the Office of Strategic Information's Total Information Awareness project. They said they cancelled it. Right.

http://www.thememoryhole.org/policestate/iao/iao-original.htm

And here is exactly how they figure out who you are and what you are doing and how they will get to you:

...sadness and uncertainty, I'm sure the freepers (et al) took down all the names and are searching for addl info about the posters.

Our anonymity at this point is crucial, if we're going to take the fight underground.

Just call me "X..."

it WAS charming. I felt sad that I couldn't join in without paranoia.

It's a good idea to keep a screen name on here or any other chat/forum type thing. I too gave my real name and in that case i don't regret it. Sometimes we have to take risks, but in general we should not give out too much information. It's not just freepers we have to protect ourselves from.

and they know where to find me

no way would I put my real name down. I am not worried about the FBI, though that is no fun. I am worried about the weirdos and RW freaks who have nothing better to do than post your name and address and phone number (which they can easily get once they know your name) on every neo-nazi board in the universe.