Should we force THEIR hands on unpalatable issues?

Even I'm questioning my sanity here, but sometimes what seems lunatic turns out to be effective, so here goes.

Can we force them to the wall on, yes, I'll say it, ABORTION? Now that he's a lame-duck, in the eyes of his so-called Evengelical base, there should be nothing to stop them from trying to completely overturn Roe v. Wade.

They CAN'T do it, it will destroy any chance for Republicans in 2006, but it would expose them AND drive a wedge WITHIN the Republican Party.

The other issue I think this would work on is the draft; we need to be pro-active on this. WE know it's coming, but the bushbots drank the Kool-Aid and it shorted out their logic centers.

It will require an enormous, coordinated, organized effort, but both of these issues could hurt the Repubs in a way that will take YEARS from which to recover.

There, I said it. I've been thinking about this since Black Tuesday night when I couldn't sleep.

disenchanted because they really expect it to happen this time.

If we focus on abortion as a public health issue I have always believed that we could do some real damage to their cause.

They only understand the willfull killing of a human with a soul.

Anything beyound that is, well, beyond them.

House, Senate, SCOTUS, and locally.

If the moderate Republicans are forced on it, they lose either way.

It's going to take a massive and very VISIBLE effort.

we publicize and expose and hand out and make signs showing Iraqi war dead.

We quote Bible verses about helping the poor and greed and lying.

WE reach out to all the lost folks out there. There are more of them than you might imagine.


We don't budge on our issues. WE DON'T BUDGE! Got it?

But I'm talking Repub reps and senators; they need to be backed up against the wall on these issues.

Fuck it. Raise the specter of back alley abortions if Roe v Wade is overturned by a Scalia Supreme Court.

If a sinner dies in the process of trying to murder a pre-born Merrican, then she got what she deserves.

I know that sounds crazy to anyone with a brain, but there are a lot of scarecrows out there in the Great American Wasteland.

Seems heartless, I was on the front lines in support of Roe v. Wade, but these are desperate times.

then in 4 years say "look at your good god-fearing leaders, didnt do anything for you - you shouldnt vote, just stay home..."

abortion issue is a distraction from them stealing SSN don't you?

House in 2006, as well as the gubernatorial races.

must do that - was only thinking of the big prize, but you are right

I've been thinking of a new party, or an internal movement within the husk of what's left of the Democratic Party and pushing the GOPukes to the wall on abortion was one of the first things I thought of.

What could be their possible excuse for failing to even try? The fundies are convinced that THEY won the election for BushCo, that THEY got the clear majority in both the House and Senate, and that THEY will decide who should get on the SC as soon as the old folks start leaving.

Why isn't Bush ALLREADY moving on this? What more does he want?

Let us hang this around his neck like a dead albatross and see how long the fundies take to catch a whiff of the stink.

but that's exactly what I'm thinking.

If a a wacko Repub senator (I can think of two) could propose legislation that involves criminal penalties, it would force some very uncomfortable hands. It's the wedge issue to strengthen the Dems in the House and Senate.

I had been thinking of this since Balck Tuesday, but heard someone else mention it on the Ed Schultz show yesterday.

No sex education + inadequate health coverage + losing the right to one's own body = poverty and death. You can illegalize abortion, but you can't stop it from happening.

I agree with you. Let's push the issue.

We often use this term in discussions that involve the Dem leadership.
After hundreds of letters and phone calls to these folks, I really don't feel like they for the most part are part of "we".
I'm not only burnt out from Rove's gutter tactics, I'm burnt out from beating my head against the wall with our Dem 'leaders'.

I know it's asking much from our leadership, but it is workable.

I'm a third generation yellow-dog raising a fourth generation, and sometimes I wonder if I'd be better off with an amicable divorce.

But that's another thread, and I'm not ready to give up just yet.

we will have to see how much 'fight' they have in them.
I'm still paying off my phone bill for all the calls I made over Porter Goss.
Still, I'm not ready to shut up yet.
btw, I think your idea has some real merit.

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Things must get much worse before they get better

Let's encourage the Republicans to be as extreme as they want to be.

The first step is to push hard for a balanced budget. Scream it from the hilltops. Align with moderate Republicans who agree that W's spending is out of control. Then Norquist the government to balance the budget. Things must get much worse before they get better.

Let's encourage privatizing Social Security. This can't be done without cutting seniors' benefits. Sorry, but they voted for Bush (60 and older, 53%/46% for Bush). You can no longer rob Peter to pay Paul (balanced budgets and all). Therefore, first cut COLAs entirely. Then we'll see how much more we need to cut to offset the private savings accounts. Remember, the young voted for Kerry (18-29 year olds, 54%/44% Kerry). Why should they support the old fogies who voted for Bush? Now, I know that you'll say, "They worked for it, they earned", but it's not like they weren't warned (what do you think 'private savings accounts' means?). A few years eating dog food might make them reconsider 'Moral values' as their top issue. Sorry, but things must get much worse before they get better.

Medicare? You get a set amount of cash. Once you exhaust that, f***ing die already.

Welfare (AFDC)? Medicaid? On the chopping block. Transfer a small amount to faith-based programs. This will hurt our core Democratic voters a lot, but again, 36% of those making under $15,000 a year voted for Bush.

Overtime pay? Unions? You should be grateful to have a job (38% of union members voted for Bush).

Bankruptcy? Not on your life. Unlike the federal government, you have to pay your debts.

Dept. of Education? Eliminate it. Education is a local issue.

NASA? Gone. NASA doesn't in any way bring us closer to Jesus Christ.

Etc.

Let the people see what small government looks like. Things must get much worse before they get better.

I believe if we force the issue it will create a huge divide within the party. Let's face it, they have completely handed their power to the Fundies.

If there is NO movement on this during the next four years, there is a very good chance that a third party, ultra-conservative candidate emerges and takes a few % of the fundamental vote away from the Repubs in 2008. The candidates platform will be simple, the repubs had everything and did nothing about the moral issue of abortion.

And as we all know, a % here and % there can go a long way.

So I say, force the debate within their party.