Does Anyone Honestly Believe That If Rudy Guiliani Was The GOP Nominee...

In 2008 that he wouldn't carry the same states Bush did this year?

Its about party identification, not whether you have 'values' or whether you're 'Southern' or whether you 'speak their language.'

The South voted for F.D.R. FOUR FREAKIN' TIMES because he was a Democrat and they were Democrats. FDR had about as much in common with the average Southerner as a polar bear.

Now they'll vote for Republicans because they identify with that party. I got a sense of this while reading something in my paper the weekend before the election. They were talking about inter-family fueds over the election.

One woman said: "My husband is a die-hard Republican. George Bush could shoot his mother and he's still vote for him."

How in the world do you make inroads to people who think like this?

So when Rudy is the nominee in 2008, and the South still votes for a Northeastern, liberal, abortion-loving, gay-loving Republican, over a moderate Southern Democrat, you'll know that some the bridge between our party and specific regions of the country have been burned.

Some places we can't win. Some places we can.

Coke drinkers will never touch Pepsi. Pepsi drinkers will never touch Coke.

We're Pepsi, they're Coke. We need to find those 7-Up drinkers and work with them.

I can't wait to see the Fundies when they learn that Rudy lived with his two gay friends after his second wife through him out for cheating...

That's just too delicious...

of him cross-dressing.

I don't hate Giuliani, but in a way I would really enjoy seeing these little culture bombs go off as he makes his way through the primaries.

Then there's this:

So long as republicans set the agenda and the slogans for what matters, they will lead.

The same principle is true of Arnold, but is particularly true of Rudy. Republicans forgive their sinners - Newt, Bennett, Rush, all the money stealing ones, etc. Republicans never forgive Democrats who sin.

He's liberterian on social issues and fiscally conservative on economic issues...


I doubt Arnold could get elected in the Deep South...

you need to satisfy the same jackasses that love the chimp. He's a little bit too "northern" acting for them. He might get the states that are ALWAYS guaranteed to go red, but maybe not states like Ohio.

Then again, Rudy's doing such a good job on being an asshole, complete with an even worse smirk than the chimp, and he kackles while he smirks, so ya never know. I hate looking at that whore when he's on the tube.

The political reaalignment has come. The new map doesn't look good for democrats. Some of us bought Texiera's koolaid of the emerging democratic majority.

9/11 proved that to be BS. We've lost affiliation numbes. This election was matched, for the first time since who knows when. Democrats simply cannot get elected anytime soon on the federal level in many states.

If they run a pro-choice, pro-gay marriage Republican things can change quick. Look what happened to 41 in the south and midwest in 92 when he ran against Clinton. We can win in states like Missouri and Ohio in the midwest, and we can win in the south with the right candidate. We honestly should hope that they nominate a moderate candidate like Rudy cause we could offset their dominance in the south pretty quick if they were to make such an error.

And take that to the bank.

The activists in the party are more conservative than the party as a whole.

The Republicans have allied themselves with the fundies to win elections, & they have to keep them happy.

With power comes problems...they are becoming captives of their interest groups...same thing that happened to Dems. In the end it will bring them down.

I fear we'll spend much of the next 4 years trying to decide if Kerry was too liberal or too centrist and some will talk of bolting the party.

Is there a group out there like the evangelicals we can use as cynically as the GOP has used evangelicals?

Maybe we could each pick one cause of a political nature in addition to our other activities (we already recycle) to support. BBV, think tanks, a democratic federalist society, campaign finance reform (tricky since we benefited this year too) cleaning up the media and/or establishing our own, ongoing voter registration and education etc. There might be 5 or 10 efforts that need support. 50 mill voted for Kerry, that's 5-10 million per cause. We should be donating now, money and/or time.

Rudy could not get evangelicals to turn out for him like Bush did. Infact, if we even ran a somewhat moderate from the south against him he'd get his ass handed to him. Reagan won big in the south, 41 won big in the south in 88. Then in 92, Clinton won Kentucky, Louisiana, Georgia, Florida, Arkansas, Missouri, Ohio, Tennessee, Arizona and Colorado. I think some of these people pay more attention than we are giving them credit for. The unfortunate thing is that they pay attention to the mans religion and morals and how he sides on gay marriage or abortion over whether he is actually better for them financially. So, ultimately, Rudy would get killed in the south as long as Democrats exposed what he's stood for in the past.

about a rudy run in 08 only because im afraid the south would vote for a rock if it had an (r) next to it. rudy would get those states, and then possibly new york.

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

You wait he will be named to a cabinet post and then back his bid for POTUS. He is a fundies dream..........SOuthern and conservative

like another Bob Dole, I don't see him winning a national election.

Frist will win over Rudy and Arnold, I think. And if an Arnie or Rudy wins the primary, they're never taking the national election. The fundies put Bush over the top. They're not coming out for pro-choice, pro-gay rights politicians. Unless Arnold and Rudy try to renounce many of the stands on social issues, the fundies are staying home.

I think Frist will make his grab for it. Or McCain. After all, McCain so disgustingly sold his soul this year it seems he should get something for it.

A white male celebrity who seems socially liberal who has a questionable past.

If he runs, keep your eyes on California. The Democrats continue to ignore California in presidential races and we will pay for it eventually.

Sorry, but I live in the South and can promise you that my neighbors vote issues first and then party. A pro-choice Republican v. a pro-choice Republican would result in millions of Republican Southerners simply skipping voting.

You're just wrong to say that they would look past this "minor" issue as well as gay rights. Democrats still get elected down here, particularly if they are anti-choice and anti-gay.

the fundies would vote against his pro-choice, pro-gay, pro-civil liberties ass for a fundie any day.

moderates like Rudy, McCain or Ahnold. Do you think he will fold his tent and go home when W's 4 years are over? The Rove plan is for a marriage between Fundies and Corporate America. He cannot have a moderate repug as the nominee in 2008, or alot of what he has been working for will be lost. It will be Frist, or someone very similar.

Wall Street is libeterian and Fundie Steet is socially conservative...