What's the deal with the media? Kerry did NOT support gay marriage!!!

The media is in the fucking twilight zone. Not only did Kerry not support gay marriage, he avoided the issue as much as he could. NO Democrats highlighted this issue. I think that even the platform only supported civil unions, not marriage.

So, what gives? Because 20% of the country identifies themselves as religious rightwingers who's number one issue is "moral values", and because 30% of the country opposes legal recognition of any kind for gays, this means we are on the wrong side of history and the civil rights movement?

HORSESHIT. It means that 80% of the country DID NOT think moral values were the number one priority. And fully 70% of the country believes gays should either have marriage or civil unions.

This issue is being totally distorted and manufactured by the MSM in their delight with the self flagellation of the Democrats. It is just more MINDLESS YAMMERING by pundits who have their heads firmly up their butts.

Kerry did not lose because of value issues. He lost because a) it's very tough to beat an incumbent during a non-recession and b) because Shrub comes across as a more accessible kind of guy on television.

Period.

How dare you!

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"Moral values" is a Rorshach blot to some, code words for a mish-bash of issues like abortion and school prayer to others.

Kerry did not lose because of value issues. He lost because a) it's very tough to beat an incumbent during a non-recession and b) because Shrub comes across as a more accessible kind of guy on television.

I think you've pegged it. Incumbency is always a factor because people are afraid of change, and lots of people identify with Bush because he reminds them of themselves more than Kerry does.

of vote fraud and suppression. No other reason. This "values" crap is all a smokescreen to divert attention away from the truth. The shitheads stole another one.

It was homosexuality in general. Jon Stewart said it the night after the election "two men kissing trumps all".

Bush supported "protecting traditional marriage". You have to read between the lines. Bush in code, repudiated homosexuality. "It is an abomination to God" is what the preachers in those small rural churches were saying. Any kind - I repeat - ANY kind of recognition that there was maybe a right for people to be in gay/lesbian relationships was "condoning" homosexuality. And the fear that was put into these people was that by giving any kind of recognition to homosexuals, they would soon be confronted with explaining to their children why these two men were kissing. (Never mind that the issue is NEVER two woman kissing!)

I understand that Bush is much less against homosexuals than his political positions would suggest. He is much more tolerant than his political positions on lots of things suggest. But he was willing to sell out a large number of American citizens to get re-elected, and Rove told him this was his issue.

Clinton supposedly told Kerry that he should neutralize the gay issue by coming out in favor of the gay rights ban in the states where it was on the ballot. He said he couldn't do that. That his stance was the right thing to do.

But he's the one who would say anything to get elected?

Sigh.