Evidence Mounts that the Vote Was Hacked

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1106-30.htm

Great article - Includes many of the points discussed here at DU. Also gives props to Bev Harris of anti-BBV fame. And it includes lots of links. It's a shame it's in Common Dreams and not NYTimes or something, but it's getting out there!

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"When I spoke with Jeff Fisher this morning (Saturday, November 06, 2004), the Democratic candidate for the U.S. House of Representatives from Florida's 16th District said he was waiting for the FBI to show up. Fisher has evidence, he says, not only that the Florida election was hacked, but of who hacked it and how. And not just this year, he said, but that these same people had previously hacked the Democratic primary race in 2002 so that Jeb Bush would not have to run against Janet Reno, who presented a real threat to Jeb, but instead against Bill McBride, who Jeb beat.

"It was practice for a national effort," Fisher told me.

And evidence is accumulating that the national effort happened on November 2, 2004."

Now we jsut HAVE to prove it. So we can send ol dumbya back to the ranch.

Wouldn't that make it easier to do some kind of information-gathering or polling of voters to see who they thought they were voting for?

in any legal way. Besides, that is what exit polls are supposed to do anyway - demonstrate how people meant to vote.

cast doubt on _{he who must not be named's} victory, and that can only be a good thing. The more people who believe the majority wanted the other guy, the better.

we're not crazy.. I mean, beyond a shadow of a doubt.

in the general public's mind and the MSM.
And obviously, both the general public & MSM (and DU, for that matter) is somewhat obsessed with polls.
The important thing is to make sure people don't fall for the repugs claim that it's the exit polls that were rigged. That would be bad.

Fortunately, so many little nuggets of evidence are coming out in different states, different counties that it is in a lot of people's consciousness.

to see if he's planning on any post-election polling in OH and FL. If not, I'm interested in seeing how much it costs to hire him to do some. If his costs aren't too high, maybe DUers could kick in a few bucks and hire him. I hope he's going to do it on his own though, since his credibility is on the line after predicting a Kerry win on The Daily Show.

one party but having another name appear. Each case favored the repubs.....Ron Kirk's name disappeared completely on a straight D ticket in Houston (ran for Senate vs. Cornyn).

let this flow across the country. Please!

I have now shared this with a few dozen of my friends.

Keep sharing, everyone.

thanks for taking the time to post.

It's time to rumble.

So glad to read that!

We're getting closer to a national buzz.

Thanks!

He is the Manhattan DA who convened a Grand Jury on evidence supplied to him by the committee investigating the BCCI. The feds were stalling the investigation, so Kerry and Brown slipped him the stuff.

have someone like that around.
There have been a couple threads around here speculating that Kerry is using the strategy Nixon used in 1960 where he had low-key investigations going on about the election but the lawsuits were not filed under Nixon's name so the media wouldn't pick up on it. Not to compare Kerry to Nixon on any deeper level - but this does make sense to me as a strategy. Obviously it didn't work for Nixon that year, but he kept his credibility to win later. Unlike Gore (and this is not a criticism of Gore) whose fight was public and the media ultimately slammed him as a sore loser.

the BCCI was exposed by a grand jury in Manhattan because too many politicos in DC were BCCI bought and paid for. It became big news not because of an independent council in DC, but a DA in NY.

I was looking at it more simply, and I only know the basic overview of the BCCI situation. My comparison was just that they were using less obvious but much smarter means to their ends.

somewhere with Diebolt that had questionable results.

Of course, it could end up that a DA would take it and stall it like the guy in Tampa did.

Then we need to get those ballots re-counted by hand somehow.

it's how I voted this year. The voter fills in the little circles and then a (DIEBOLD) machine scans them and tallies them up.

So there IS a paper trail for these - assuming we get to them before the shredders do!

I'm sure Elizabeth would be talking to John right now about all of the hacking and vote stealing that went on during the election which has been mentioned in this thread-and, so many others here at DU.

If John Edwards is not posting, at least he's reading this information-thanks to his wonderful wife, Elizabeth!

BTW, Thanks for posting this terrific article!

:-)

I followed the link in the article to watch a video on voting machine fraud at the VoterGate web site. However, apparently someone doesn't want it seen because the files were attacked and deleted!

Edited to add link: www.votergate.tv

I hadn't tried that link - due to my slow connection I seldom follow video links.

That's shitty. I hope they get it back up soon!

Evidence is always fanfreakingtastic.

It's blatant idiocy like that that makes me dismiss most of this BBV stuff. Janet Reno was responsible for dragging Elian Gonzalez out of the Little Havana home in spring 2000. Cubans would have lined up months in advance to vote against her. The relatively bland race vs. McBride would have turned into a national event, firing up Republicans nationwide. The bizarre theory they intentionally hacked themselves out of a marquee matchup, that they were sure to win by big margin, is IMO very representative of BBV cynicism.

It's optical scan. I didn't follow the 2002 Florida election closely so I don't feel qualified to discuss that point with you.
The point is, though, that they aren't talking about the BBV machines, they're talking about optical scan which HAS A PAPER TRAIL.

"...in Florida's smaller counties the results from the optically scanned paper ballots - fed into a central tabulator PC and thus vulnerable to hacking - seem to have been reversed."

If the tabulators were hacked (a simple job, as the article goes on to explain courtesy of Bev Harris) then a hand recount of the paper ballots could show damning evidence of fraud.

I'm all for verifying machine counts of any sort. Prior to Tuesday optical scan was considered the most desirable method. I heard David Boies say he wanted all of Florida to be optical scan.

My point is similar to a trial, when the judge tells the jury one evidence of untruth can be used to dismiss credibility in general. I'm originally in Florida and was visiting when that primary was held in late summer 2002. Trust me, the Republicans were ticked when McBride overcame Reno. It was very similar to our primaries this year, a strategic choice by Democrats that McBride had a better chance in the general election than Reno. McBride had all the momentum in the polls and won by a narrow margin.

http://ustogether.org/Florida_Election.htm

The bottom chart is for the counties that used optiscan machines . Look at the percentage increases in the number of votes for * , but the decrease in the number of votes for Kerry , even in Democratic counties . The only explanation is that the votes were switched . Bush received Kerry's votes and vice versa .

the only difference being that there IS a paper ballot to start with. Optical scans are computerized, run on some of the same software the Touchscreen systems use for vote tabulation (GEMS if a Diebold machine), have modems, can be hacked, can be rigged, can have malicious code and/or errors in the code. Same issues.

that's the difference. Yes, the tabulation is done with a computer program the same way as touch screen and can be hacked but the little circles I filled out on my ballot are still there. That's the key.
There are lots of votes that can never be recounted - but if those that can be are, there will be evidence that fraud occurred. And hard evidence is what we need.

These counties went for Bush in 2000.

http://shazam.econ.ubc.ca/intro/votes.htm

but considering the following:

"In Dixie County, with 4,988 registered voters, 77.5% of them Democrats and a mere 15% registered as Republicans, only 1,959 people voted for Kerry, but 4,433 voted for Bush."

do you think maybe the fraud started in 2000? I can't imagine that so many registered dems would vote Bush in 2000 or 2004. Maybe some, but certainly not most, like the above example implies.

And, until 2000, exit polls were generally reliable, within the MoE. Starting in 2000 they were not. Maybe the same fraud happened then. We know that if a full recount of Fla had been finished in 2000, Gore would most likely have won.

I suppose we should find the 96 data - cuz we know that was probably legit...

http://election.dos.state.fl.us/elections/resultsarchive/DetailRpt.Asp?ELECTIONDATE=11/5/96&RACE=PRE&PARTY=&DIST=&GRP=&DATAMODE=

Baker is still a little lopsided, but not as much as 2000 & 2004. In Dixie & Franklin, Clinton kicked ass....

on edit: the Perot factor...(why was I thinking he was in 1992? was he really '96?). Don't know much about where his voters came from. May be the difference though.

and get this story out. I just hope they haven't swapped out the paper ballots in the meantime. Yes, replacing Kerry ballots with * ballots would involve a bit of work but if they had them made up ahead of time it would be pretty easy. Remember, this IS Florida we are talking about. I wouldn't put anything past Jeb and Co. Then again, the replacement ballots might be easy to spot. Just look for the ones that were filled out in Crayon -- those are the ones that Dubya himself did. ;)

Had the Dems won, FreeRepublic, AnnCoulter.Com and other right-wing WebSites would have found evidence of "voter fraud."

If the Democratic Party isn't taking up this issue, then its evidence we are just seeing a bunch of Liberal conspiracy theorists at work here.

We need concrete, irrefutable proof this thing was stolen. Exit polling numbers aren't that. We need a programmer or someone to come forward with the goods.

Don't count on it. The men who murdered JFK kept quiet...the I-M complex ran unabated for 12 years after JFK was killed. Kerry was a threat to the same people who JFK was a threat to.

it will grow until the right people take notice.....keep em alive..