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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 04:12 PM Original message |
John Kerry won more votes than Bill Clinton ever did |
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Julien Sorel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 04:13 PM Response to Original message |
1. Kerry didn't have to contend with Perot. |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 04:15 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Perot helped Clinton...more repubs than Dem went Perot |
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Julien Sorel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 04:22 PM Response to Reply #2 |
9. Perot still drew several million votes away from Clinton. |
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wuushew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 04:17 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Perot is a joke |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 04:20 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. Perot Would Have Been A Better Pres Than Bush Or Dole |
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JohnKleeb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 04:19 PM Response to Original message |
4. I prefer Kerry to Clinton |
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THUNDER HANDS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 04:19 PM Response to Original message |
5. Kerry ran a fine campaign |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 04:20 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Exactly |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 04:21 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. Kerry Ran A Fine Campaign |
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THUNDER HANDS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 04:23 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. if Kerry couldn't win |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 04:29 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. i think clinton wins Arkansas and Ohio And Florida |
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THUNDER HANDS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 04:31 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. except for the whole heart attack thing two months ago |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 04:34 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. settiing up strawmen and knocking them down is not debating |
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THUNDER HANDS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 04:38 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. yeah and if FDR was running then he'd blow out bush too |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 04:42 PM Response to Reply #24 |
29. i was responding to the original poster |
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rockydem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 04:33 PM Response to Reply #15 |
20. Clinton would have beat Bush I have no doubt about that |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 04:39 PM Response to Reply #20 |
25. This Is Turning Into A Joe Louis-Muhammad Ali Thread.... |
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rockydem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 04:43 PM Response to Reply #25 |
30. So who would win |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 04:53 PM Response to Reply #30 |
34. Ali Beats The Young Tyson The Same Way He Beats The Young Foreman... |
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Tatiana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 05:10 PM Response to Reply #20 |
48. We're missing an important constituency here: THE POOR. |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 06:44 PM Response to Reply #48 |
59. Kerry talked about healthcare for all Americans and college for all kids |
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springhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 04:57 PM Response to Reply #8 |
36. Clinton has left me a little curios about him......... |
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JohnKleeb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 04:23 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. yeah I agree |
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RummyTheDummy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 04:51 PM Response to Reply #5 |
33. Woulda, coulda, shoulda |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 05:20 PM Response to Reply #33 |
51. Yep..anything is possible with help dividing the Repub vote |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 06:38 PM Response to Reply #5 |
58. He did actually... |
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JohnKleeb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 04:24 PM Response to Original message |
12. another thing NSMA |
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wuushew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 04:25 PM Response to Original message |
13. Fuck Clinton |
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THUNDER HANDS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 04:27 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. he's just covering for his wife |
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wuushew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 04:29 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. I will not vote for her in the primaries |
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rockydem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 04:35 PM Response to Reply #16 |
22. You'll vote for her in the end if she wins (assuming she runs) |
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wuushew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 04:38 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. That is why I said Primaries |
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rockydem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 04:40 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. good |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 04:30 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. He Got 43% And Damn Near 400 Electoral College Votes... |
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JohnKleeb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 04:32 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. Carter's foreign policy crisis was what happened in Iran |
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Mr.Green93 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 07:12 PM Response to Reply #13 |
62. he'd like it |
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Tatiana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 04:42 PM Response to Original message |
27. I don't think Bill in terms of strategy is the light and the way. |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 04:46 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. Look At All The Baggage Clinton Overcame.. |
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Tatiana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 05:04 PM Response to Reply #31 |
44. EXACTLY! |
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THUNDER HANDS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 04:42 PM Response to Original message |
28. OH, HE ALSO RAISED MORE MONEY THAN BOTH CLINTON CAMPAIGNS |
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RummyTheDummy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 04:49 PM Response to Original message |
32. Question? |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 04:54 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. I Didn't Want To Be So Blunt |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 04:59 PM Response to Reply #35 |
40. The one that lost us congress during his tenure? Yeah that helped |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 05:03 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. we lost seats in 00 ,02 and 04 |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 04:57 PM Response to Reply #32 |
37. Fine but stop pretending he did it without Perot's intervention |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 05:02 PM Response to Reply #37 |
42. I think He Still Beats Bush And Dole.. |
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wuushew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 04:58 PM Response to Reply #32 |
38. The Presidency is not the sum total of governmental power |
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Leilani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 04:59 PM Response to Original message |
39. It's pretty hard to compare Clinton & Kerry |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 05:01 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. Excuse me but Clinton didn't have a muzzle on through the election |
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Leilani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 05:05 PM Response to Reply #41 |
45. Excuse me, but I thought we were comparing their election results |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 05:17 PM Response to Reply #45 |
50. Sorry Leilani, I've no bone to pick with you (just angry not at you) |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 05:22 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. Clinton's Advice To Kerry To Endorse The Anti Gay Marriage |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 06:15 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. Clinton NEVER said that |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 06:27 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. The article is quoting a newsweek article. Newsweek isn't owned |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 06:31 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. Really? |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 06:34 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. We shall see in the coming weeks whether it pans out or not |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 06:37 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. No problem |
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Leilani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-07-04 12:38 AM Response to Reply #50 |
63. No problem, nsma! |
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sonicx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 05:06 PM Response to Reply #41 |
46. He probably didn't because the press would have ignored Kerry |
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wuushew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 05:07 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. That would work fine |
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Leilani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 05:12 PM Response to Original message |
49. One thing I know for sure... |
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JI7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 06:46 PM Response to Original message |
60. Bill Clinton is just being realistic |
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Toucano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-06-04 06:55 PM Response to Original message |
61. Good point. n/t |
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Philostopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-07-04 01:10 AM Response to Original message |
64. Bill Clinton had the instincts of a rock star or a natural athlete. |
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NewYorkerfromMass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-08-04 11:15 AM Response to Original message |
65. Yep. Clinton pissed me off last week with his post mortem |
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pmbryant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-08-04 11:22 AM Response to Original message |
66. While I agree with the premise behind this post, it isn't quite accurate |
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WI_DEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-08-04 11:38 AM Response to Original message |
67. yes, but many more people voted in 2004 than '92 or '96 |
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