Rove says they are going to try for FMA again

posted by LTRS

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2630004

I hope all of you will help us fight this. If they can single out gays and lesbians for discrimination under our constitution they can do it to other groups as well. Our country is being turned into Nazi Germany.

And that's about the nicest thing I can say about her.

or her financial stability.. She had nothing to lose, and she did not lose anything.

My take is this.. probably a lot of gay people want to be married, not only for the warm-fuzzy-love reasons, but for the COLD HARD REALITY reasons.

Social security, home ownership, inheritance rights, child custody rights,and so many more things..

All they want is the right to love whomever they choose, and to enter into a legal relationship like everyone else can (if they choose).

It's about CHOICE and equalt treatment under the law.. That's ALL.. I have never once seen any gay person trying to "convert" anyone.

Substitute "black" or "asian" or "female" or "hispanic" every time you see the word "gay" and you have the reason they are pissed.

Do we obsess over the lovemaking methods of a Black/white couple? Maybe not NOW, but I can tell you that 50 years ago people DID..

she doesn't give a flying fuck. Her parents didn't teacher her any morals. The only value she was ever taught was the value of the almighty dollar.

and leave civil contracts to the govt.

What we what is those 1,049 extra rights that straight married people get through the civil contract "license" the Government gives out. I could care less if the "Church Married" me. But you see the Neo-Cons would not be happy with that, because they know that there are plenty of "Church's" out there that would married Gay/Lesbians out there. So agian its about Gay/Lesbians Rights.

The Senate has a handful of new super-rightwinger senators who will jump at the chance to vote for it.

Hopefully the dems won't cave.

However, sufficient states could call for a constitutional convention... and that would override the national congress. Though I don't see the christian fundamentalists organized and numerous enough to do that.

Forgive me for being cynical, but when's the last time they actually pulled through for us?

Well they stopped the amendment in this congress for one.

But with some people in the party who now want to abandon GLBT people who knows what dem senators may have decided.

they (Republicans) won't get 2/3rds. But they will get probably close to 60 I would think.

I mean how can you preserve the sanctity of marriage if 50% of them end in divorce?

Signed,
A bachelor

nt

This just has to be the major issue for the 2006 GOP campaign. It has all the qualities they need. A major distration from all their corruption, failure, exteme measures we will see this next two years.

NT

i have heard that 1 million did so in 2000.

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i need help to draft a proposition to amend the arksansas constitution outlawing divorce except in the case of fornication (adultery). below is the text of the marriage amendment that passed here in this election. any help with the legalese would be appreciated. i need to gather 80k signatures, and i am sure i can get them. lets take action.

Chris Stewart, Executive Director
Arkansas Marriage Amendment
414 South Pulaski, Suite 3
Little Rock, AR 72201
501-975-7755
To the Honorable Charlie Daniels, Secretary of the State of Arkansas: We, the undersigned legal voters of the State of Arkansas, respectfully propose the following amendment to the Constitution of the State, to wit:
POPULAR NAME
AN AMENDMENT CONCERNING MARRIAGE
BALLOT TITLE
A PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO THE ARKANSAS CONSTITUTION PROVIDING
THAT MARRIAGE CONSISTS ONLY OF THE UNION OF ONE MAN AND ONE
WOMAN; THAT LEGAL STATUS FOR UNMARRIED PERSON WHICH IS
IDENTICAL OR SUBSTANTIALLY SIMILAR TO MARITAL STATUS SHALL NOT
BE VALID OR RECOGNIZED IN ARKANSAS, EXCEPT THAT THE
LEGISLATURE MAY RECOGNIZE A COMMON LAW MARRIAGE FROM
ANOTHER STATE BETWEEN A MAN AND A WOMAN; AND THAT THE
LEGISLATURE HAS THE POWER TO DETERMINE THE CAPACITY OF
PERSONS TO MARRY, SUBJECT TO THIS AMENDMENT, AND THE LEGAL
RIGHTS, OBLIGATIONS, PRIVILEGES, AND IMMUNITIES OF MARRIAGE.
Be it enacted by the people of the State of Arkansas:
SECTION 1: Marriage
Marriage consists only of the union of one man and one woman.
SECTION 2: Martial Status
Legal status for unmarried persons which is identical or substantially similar to marital status shall not be valid or recognized in Arkansas, except that the Legislature may
recognize a common law marriage from another state between a man and a woman.
SECTION 3: Capacity, rights, obligations, privileges, and immunities.
The Legislature has the power to determine the capacity of persons to marry, subject to this amendment, and the legal rights, obligations, privileges, and immunities of marriage.
And by this, our petition, order that the same be submitted to the people of said State, to the end that the same may be adopted or rejected by the vote of legal voters of said State
at the regular general election to be held on the 2nd day of November, 2004, and each of us for himself says: I have personally signed this petition; I am a legal voter of the State
of Arkansas, and my printed name, date of birth, residence, city of town of residence, and date of signing this petition are correctly written after by signature.

We need only 34 votes to oppose an amendment in the senate.

It's a Rove ploy to try to boost turnout in the midterms.

Dems should just sit back and let them do it. The GOP won't, because then they would lose the moderates in their party. Most of these social issues the Repubs use are simply carrots they dangle for the fundies, but never intend give them. The moderates know this, and feel safe voting Repub. If the moderates were to feel like the fundies really had control of the GOP, they would leave in a heartbeat.