The Silence is Deafening

Isn't it interesting that we hear not one peep about election irregularities from anyone in or close to the Democratic Party. Not a one. Not even the outspoken Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton are uttering a peep. It makes one stop and think. Is something up? Why would so many people be so quiet when the Internet is screaming with all kinds of voting problems. I come from the school that says all these people were told to keep their mouths shut for the time being while the evidence is being put together. They don't want to give the mediawhores and Bushco's an opportunity to turn this into a three circus like what happened in 2000. I suspect as soon as Dems are ready to fire their guns you will hear an explosion that will rock the planet. I know the silence is excrutiatingly frustrating - but keep the faith. This thing ain't over yet!

Professor 2

while it's burning so brilliantly.

No fire. The Democrats have given up. Soon we'll be advised to move on.

but Al Sharpton. No, I feel Sharpton would have let the barbs fly. Now my question--is he quiet because of the Democratic Party, or because the media is not covering him?

They're all in shock that they, like the rest of us, actually believed there would be a real election this year; and I'm sure that like so many of us, they're also confused and disappointed by the abrupt AWOL Kerry pulled on November 3rd.

I'm sure they're meeting with their respective constituencies trying to re-group and figure out just WTF the Democractic party can do from here forward.

Sorry, no :tinfoilhat: on this girl.



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that i have to agree with you

They had to know there was going to be a strong potential for Bush to rig the vote, why would they have hired 10,000 lawyers to help fight for them, only to concede without a wimper. No my friends the silence has got to be a deliberate ploy to buy them time. If I am wrong, and I don't think I am then shame on them and the Party. And I for one will be looking to join a new national third party.

I am adding your prediction to my "DU prediction" file.

it's the 3rd party folks asking for recounts.


Greens, LP, whatever Nader is.....vera interestin.

Because I am not, I assure you, but I would say that the word to describe this could well be "coordination".

You only need two points to triangulate on a target. There are many more than that. Throw in a little tactics gleaned from Sun Tzu and voila.

Never, ever, assume indolence and sloth amongst the political classes. Never. Stupidity? Pride? Arrogance? Sure. But not indolence. They are energizer rabbits, the successful ones.

may explain why nader ran, eh?

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And it doesn't explain why Kerry couldn't ask for recounts.
He collected millions for recounts.
What would he be waiting for?
Pretty soon Bush is going to be inaugurated.
LOL.

Wouldn't someone like Rush or Hannity bring up the "scandal" that the Kerry camp collected millions for a recount and basically kept it for themselves????

-P

By Alex Knott

WASHINGTON, November 1, 2004
Sen. John F. Kerry may have a $24.8 million advantage over
President George W. Bush in pursuing any recounts that result from Tuesday's election, according to
the campaigns' most recent financial filings.

Under Federal Election Commission rules, both candidates are allowed
to use remaining funds from their primary election committees to
conduct recount activities, which in Kerry's case amounts to just under
$45 million. That compares to just more than $16 million left over in the
Bush/Cheney primary election committee's coffers.

Those funds, combined with the cash on hand each campaign reported for accounting and legal costs, give Kerry a
total of $51.6 million that could possibly be used for potential recounts, according to the campaign's pre-General
Election filings. By contrast, the Bush campaign has $26.8 million. Bob Biersack, spokesperson for the Federal
Election Commission, said "it's possible" that Kerry could use the leftover $45 million from his primary funds for
recounts. "There should not be any problem with them using primary funds for a recount," Biersack told the Center for
Public Integrity. "One of the clearly permissible uses would be a transfer to a party and the party could use that money
for a recount."
The candidates' funds would not be the only source
of cash available for recount efforts. Both political
parties are allowed to participate, and as in 2000 the
campaigns could establish separate fundraising
committees.

In phone calls with the Center, spokesmen for both the Kerry
campaign and the Democratic National Committee would
not speculate on how they intend to use the $45 million in
leftover primary funds.

Kerry's advantage stands in sharp contrast to the situation
four years ago, when Bush raised $13.82 million for recount
activities and Vice President Al Gore raised $3.46 million.


http://www.publicintegrity.org/bop2004/report.aspx?aid=418


dp

The 3rd party candidates seem to be jumping onto an issue that has been pushed hard by ordinary people - Nader got on the 'recounting bandwagon' because he was the only one to respond to the desperate calls of people in NH.

My personal opinion is that this is probably the best solution. I am undecided on whether Kerry and his campaign is working behind the scenes, but I do believe that had he worked openly for a recount, he would have been absolutely vilified by both the media and the RNC. The third party candidates have less to lose, as their loss is so obvious, that their pushing for a recount cannot be painted as being 'sore losers'. If Bush and Rove goes out with all guns blazing against Cobb, Nader, and Badnarik, they'd just look ridiculous, and people would really start suspecting something is wrong. And since they can't go all out in refuting all these stories, the fire is creeping along at grassroots level, which makes it all that more difficult to put out.

But I do hope, I do hope, that Kerry hasn't written this off and is working behind the scenes to help rescue American Democracy.

People have been contacting Nader, Cobb and Badnarik asking them to do something.
Apparently, Kerry is nowhere to be found and doesn't want any recounts.
For crying out loud, what would they be waiting for? Bush's inauguration?
LOL.
They rolled over and played dead.

nothing they would get word out to all of us that they didnt think there was voter fraud, and they werent going to challenge, so a whole lot of people wouldnt be wasting the last two weeks of our lives, like we did the last 6 months of our lives in this shit. and we could move on.

you would think, that if kerry reallyw as doing nothing, he would let us know. dont you think, out of simple surtesy he would tell us to stop, not to waste our time resource and effort

You can bet your boots they're diligently collecting evidence. Common sense tells me there is no way this inept idiot-in-chief won this election without the help of corrupted state officials.

Democracy? The Democratic party? Sanity? Common sense? Life as we know it?

"It" - the struggle of the people against tyranny, has been going on for centuries and will never be over.

Football games can be called "over" - the fight for justice will go forward for a long time to come, with or without you.

I think something is going on, but will it amount to anything?

Will we see the fire? I sure hope so. If nothing else for our own salvation.

do you honestly think the us government is going to inform the poeple that their election system has been hacked. I don't think so. doesn't anybody around here watch the x-files.

Amen!
This is my first post here!
I lurked after the election and realized I need your support!
I live in northern California and am trying to wake up from this nightmare.
The mood here is sooo subdued.
Similar to post 911.
The tools in the media seem to have ignored the will of the people.
Sad.

Not only do you need our support, we need yours! Please, oh please, be a sincere adddition to our extended family :toast:

Jenn

I think it may seem subdued here -- because we have made all the arguments and the facts of election fraud are staring us in the face.

There is a powerful article -- by a Professor in Pennsylvania -- about the significance of the difference between the exit polls and the conflicting vote totals (see http://www.buzzflash.com for a link)

This is now a waiting game -- wait for the vote recount in N.H. -- wait for the vote count in Ohio (by the GOP Blackwell -- know to DU for his efforts to block the vote in Ohio).

In a way we are like manic/depressive (Bi-polar) people -- we operate at a manic level and then we have to pull back-- and recharge.

As the results from recounts and more dirty tricks are exposed -- this place will again become manic.

This is going to be a very long fight -- we have to choose our battles.

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Proof would be to take about 10 curious counties in about 5 curious states and run a test count. If that's not done, it cannot be trusted.

...It seems to me that Kerry did walk away quickly. Some think that he might have been threatened. I'm not so sure that something like that didn't happen.

Imagine if the Bush (Rove) administration had something pretty damaging on Kerry. And...that they threatened to bring it out if the election was seriously challenged.

You are right...it is very quiet...too quiet.

-Paige

But because his life has been so scrutinized, I don't think so.

I didn't mean here at DU.
I meant the feeling was subdued in Ca where I live!
I came here because you folks are "The Eye of the Tiger!

I think if the RNC had something that big on Kerry they would not have been able to contain themselves.....

First time posting.....

Writing from a blue state, Michigan, but unfortunately I have very little people in my life that see things the way I do. My husband is a libertarian, in-laws and best friends are Repugs. DU has been wonderfully addictive habit for me since the election. My husband keeps asking when I'll go into recovery....I told him by Christmas. I figure this thing will finally bust loose well before then.

I definitely feel in my gut that something is really wrong. It's way too quite especially after 2000. Just hope and pray (yes unbelievable that a Dem prays - ha).

Timing for it to come full circle is good too. All the major media stories that we know of have broke....moving into Fallujah, Peterson trial ending, Arafat dying.....There's nothing to steal the spotlight.

You came to the right place, you will find people that think like you do, me for one. The silence from our leaders is deafening.

For myself, that fat lady will be singing when the electoral votes are cast. At that point I shake myself off and get on with my life.

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Ugnmoose, have you heard about this place?

http://www.votersunite.org/electionproblems.asp?pffset=240==date

It's the bomb!

Yet sad, that in a country like ours we have this patchwork voting system that can so easily be manipulated.

Can't do search now, but on Saturday 11/6 I believe I posted the post "Here's your Democratic voice." When I was yahooing for anything from anyone that was a Democrat showing concern for the election.

He gave a speech and said there was clearly fraud and disenfranchment in this election-after the election happened.

The thing is, just because you don't hear in in the mainstream media, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Dissent is being marginilzed big time. Sorry for the spelling but I'm just interested in pointing this out-this is the second time I've heard that everybody's so quiet thing, and pointed out that yes, Jackson was saying fraud last week.

And nobody listens to Jackson anymore because of whatever that scandal was...he's not a big "Hardball" guest.

about fraud,last Saturday on his Air America show.

and for what its worth...if Kerry were to ask for a recount, the re-pugs would be on him like white on rice, and also...Naders first shot was NH, where Kerry won. All the allegations floating around are only that...they need to be investigated, which they are. Patience is a *itch, but thinking logically it makes so much sense. Accuracy about the machines, and die-bold, and all were apparent way before the election. The secretary of state in Ohio was so blatant in trying to suppress the vote. I think this is what Kerry is very good at, investigation, calculation, methodically going after the facts. When you look at how the media is already reacting to the "conspiracy theories" I for one am glad that he backed off. Fight another day, and get your ducks lined up. I hate to keep hope alive but I guess I'm a sucker...or maybe?

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