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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 09:40 PM
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The magic six letter word that will return us the WH in 2008:
R E F O R M

Get back to our roots as the REFORM party. Stand up for the little guy. Us against the un-American corporate interests. Throw the bums out who have spent us into bankruptcy.

Nominate an economic populist/fiscal disciplinarian and we win.
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tk2kewl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 09:43 PM
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1. as in campaign finance reform
or election reform
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 10:00 PM
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8. ayuh!
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Fight the fraud; fund the recount!
http://timeforachange.bluelemur.com/electionreform.htm
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blackcat77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 09:44 PM
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2. I've been saying this since election night... nt
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Booster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 09:47 PM
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4. But Kerry has been saying that since he started his
campaign and it just never caught on. If he had forcefully dealt with the Swiftboat liars, he might have had a chance, but when I ask people who voted for Bush why, they all say Kerry was weak and a flipflopper.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 09:52 PM
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7. That was not the centerpiece of Kerry's campaign
It has to be the CORE of someone's message.

And much as I respect the guy and would give my left nut for him to be President, Kerry, also, did not have the personality to pull off this kind of connection with the voters. He didn't have the gut instinct on this issue.

Simply put, he is not a believable "reformer".
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ktowntennesseedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 09:44 PM
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3. No doubt we will be bankrupt by '08
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 09:49 PM
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6. Not only bankrupt
But we will have an historic opportunity to seize the mantle of the party of fiscal discipline and hold it for a generation. The crucial thing is that we encourage, over the next few years, a growing perception of the Republicans as the party of reckless fiscal irresponsibility - big government gone haywire (and this can be linked with their big government tendencies on social issues).

We should be the party that advocates mean, lean, ethical government that looks out for the interests of the average American.
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ktowntennesseedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 11:18 PM
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14. Tax-&-Spend-Democrats replaced by Tax-BREAK-&Spend-Republicans!
Edited on Fri Nov-12-04 11:21 PM by ktowntennesseedem
The irony is absurd but beautiful! The next four years will likely be hell to endure, but they just might be our ticket to better years ahead.

Hey! I finally made it to triple digits: 100 posts!
(Thanks DU! You've been an oasis of sanity in a desert of lunacy!)

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce:
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 08:22 AM
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25. we'll be bankrupt, but...
If there are major financial problems in this country, it will be blamed on those leftists in the EU (old Europe, remember them?) trying to get us back for Iraq.... or, it will be the Chinese trying to take over as the world's top economy... or it will be blamed on the next big terror attack in this country...

Or, all three.

Remember, it's never the fault of a Republican.
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 09:49 PM
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5. yes!
That's what I think too. There's alot of people who are populists but don't know the word for it and don't have a party. Kerry was more populist than bush but it looked the other way around and truth be told, neither was even close. So many people don't think either party represents them and they can be tapped with the right candidate.
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Metrix Donating Member (293 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 10:00 PM
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9. You have to somehow get around their fear
that they will be the ones that are hurt. They think if the Democrats raise taxes on the rich, they will be the ones that lose their jobs. So saying we should tax the rich doesn't resonate with them. The people I know with this mindsent don't seem to resent the rich. They accept that they are in a fundamentally different class.
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LosinIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 10:17 PM
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10. Gee, I was hoping you meant
H O W A R D
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 10:17 PM
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11. You'll have to figure out how to dump the DLC
and abandon all those New Democrats who have been dragging the party so far to the right that few of us recognize it any more.

Squabbling over yuppies while pursuing corporatist policies while working people fall farther behind every year is not going to get anyone elected. It should be painfully clear by now that they got lucky with Clinton but are net election losers.

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 12:24 AM
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missouri dem Donating Member (298 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 10:50 PM
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12. Two words:
Progressive Populists
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brettdale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 10:53 PM
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13. The Magic five letter word that will return us to the WH in 2005
FRAUD
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 11:22 PM
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15. An "outsider" can carry this banner credibly
Our next candidate should not be a Senator.

The "outsider" position is the place to be and "reform" can be their mantra.

Julie
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 11:36 PM
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16. Absolutely! VERY FEW senators ever won the WH.
I guess it's that Senators HAVE to vote on one issue in so many different bills, all of them cqan be accurately accused of voting for or against everything!

I'm actively looking for a few strong and yes, likeable governors to support. The problem is that very few governors are known outside their own state.

We all need to help on this. I can't, because my gov is the AH Sonny Perdue! Pub idiot from Ga.

What's your gov. like, and could he be promoted as a candidate?
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liberalpragmatist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 12:11 AM
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19. I don't think that's really it
The reason Senators tend not to go directly to the WH is because Governors tend to do best in the primaries and get nominated. People seem to like someone who has executive experience and I think governors often are a little bit more in touch with the people they campaign among. Plus, governors can credibly run anti-Washington campaigns, which do galvanize people more than "insider" campaigns.

That said, a large number of senators have become President. It's often indirect however, through the Vice Presidency first. It seems that a very common ticket is a governor or vice president on top and a senator on the bottom.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 12:34 AM
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22. You're right about the "executive experience".
It's also tru that most senators who have finally become Pres. got there via the VP spot. I wasn't talking about the VP thing, but about a senator being the top of the ticket. I guess I am repeating what I heard in the media this past election, but it did make sense to me that a senate record is very easily distorted, and the accusations against Kerry proved that.
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 08:13 AM
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24. Unfortunately, my Governor
Was born in Canada. Otherwise, Granhom would be a great candidate.

Julie
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c-macdonald Donating Member (61 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 11:40 PM
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17. How Progressives Can Win the Culture War
It's time we took back OUR words, OUR values, and OUR ideas - Democrats can be patriotic, Democrats can love America, and damnit Democrats can and will fight to take America back from the greedy, power-hungry, Republicans.

WE ARE PROGRESSIVES AND WE WANT AMERICA BACK!


We are Americans.

We are teachers, lawyers, bankers, and doctors.
We work in factories, warehouses, farmhouses and office buildings.
We attend sporting events, company picnics, church functions, and reunions.
...and we believe we are a united country.

We stand up and sing along when we hear the National Anthem and speak loudly when we recite the Pledge of Allegiance.
We know love and life-long commitment are the foundations of a family.
We honor those who dedicate their lives to serving and protecting our children, our families, and our freedom.
We honor those who gave their lives for freedom by respecting the freedom of our neighbors to live the lives they lead.
We know that God gives us the strength to succeed and the wisdom to know the difference between right and wrong.
We ask our teachers and parents to work together in order to help our children succeed.
We demand a maximum return for our tax investments and believe they should be used for the greater good.

We believe in the American birth-right of life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness.
We believe in empowering and giving voices to all Americans.
We believe in is both a right and responsibility to speak out where we feel there is injustice.
We believe in the sanctity of nature and that the beauty of America must be preserved.
We believe in cultivating a culture of service where we develop stronger communities built on empathy.
We believe in working hard and embracing progress in order to ensure better opportunities for our children.
We believe in our cultural inheritance set forth by our founding fathers to never be satisfied with the status quo.
We believe in being a beacon of hope and integrity for the rest of the world.

We are hard-workers, free-thinkers and freedom-lovers.
We are Americans.

-TCNJ 11/12/04
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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 12:11 AM
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18. And what about the fraud? How do we fight that?
.
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 11:10 AM
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29. you can't
Instead of fighting pointlessly a lost and rigged game, it is best to walk away and let the poisonous system to its own devices.

Live a life free of political obsession. If 2 rigged elections in a row isn't enough to convince you the jig is up for good, NOTHING will convince you otherwise.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 12:21 AM
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 01:00 AM
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23. Iz zat you, Evan??
Come on, that really IS you, hunh Evan!
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 11:05 AM
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27. Don't know if Evan has the charisma to be a populist n/t
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Pepperbelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 08:22 AM
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26. Good catch and worthy of thought. nt
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 11:08 AM
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28. hahahahaha
Very cute. :D
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okieinpain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 11:10 AM
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30. dean DNC leadership
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