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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 11:46 AM
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Krugman said something very important this morning that slipped by.
In response to a caller he said that noone could possibly believe that the two parties are the same.

He said the gap between the two parties has never been greater.

The perception being pushed that there is little difference works only to the benefit of the GOP.
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 11:49 AM
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1. Interesting point....
I'm not sure I agree entirely, but he is certainly right that ignoring the
differences between the parties works to the benefit of the GOP.
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Mend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 11:55 AM
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4. I guess I hate
that "we are the same" claim more than almost anything in politics. If you are a woman of child-bearing age, gay, sick, uninsured, old, a student, a minority or anything except a white male, you might think that. For the rest of us or those of you who care about the rest of us, the differences are clear and profound.
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Cobalt Violet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 12:00 PM
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6. You might as well add non born-again Christian to those groups too.
Edited on Sat Nov-13-04 12:01 PM by Cobalt Violet
n/t
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 11:52 AM
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2. As far as I am concerned the only ones that make that statement...
are repugs because they are making an excuse as to why they are voting that way.

Just as ANYONE that brings up guns, gays, or abortion as the reason (or anything that is negative about a Democrat) are only justifying why they are voting the wrong way.
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FloridaPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 11:52 AM
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3. Depends on how you're looking at the differences.
One the one hand, both parties have been bought by big business. Both work for the benefit of big business, but the Democratic party does still look out for the little folks.

As for issues, the repubs are hell bent on destroying everything the government does for the little folks, which the Democrats still want to keep things for us.

But the Democratic party doesn't seem to like to fight and the repubs are taking over. It almost looks like the Demcoracts are there just to make it look like a 2 party system.
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searchingforlight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 12:01 PM
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7. Kinda like "Hannity and Colmes".
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Wind Dancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 01:49 PM
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14. Exactly, it's hard to understand the intentions of
the Democratic Party now. There are still a few I have faith in but the number continues to decrease. Until the Dems start fighting back, I remain skeptical. Maybe Nader was right after all. :shrug:
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Birthmark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 11:56 AM
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5. It probably does benefit the GOP
However, the differences are small on most really important issues. The big differences are mostly on the "wedge issues" that are far less likely to effect the majority of us.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 12:08 PM
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9. Social Security, healthcare, jobs and taxes the differences are ENORMOUS.
Those are the everyday issues of tremendous importance to most people.
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Birthmark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 12:11 PM
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10. I agree with the Social Security.
But I don't think that the differences are great on jobs or taxes, especially jobs. Both pander to the corporations, imo.

Healthcare I'm not so sure about. I think that Democrats are a bit more liberal, but I don't recall hearing about a plan to cover all Americans since Hilary. I could be wrong, though.
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Racenut20 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 12:01 PM
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8. What was it Harry Truman said ?
Something to the effect, that if they talk like a republican, odds are they are a republican.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 12:18 PM
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11. We are bogged down in a war our party allowed to happen,
Edited on Sat Nov-13-04 12:29 PM by madfloridian
in fact supported.

Seniors are about to tossed to the wolves on Medicare and Social Security, because a certain "opposition" party may have waited too long to oppose.

Our Democrats supported the NCLB bill as well. It is quickly tearing down the public school system.

Then major Democrats when confronted about the fact that the war was a lie, said they would do it all over again.

So, how are we so different? I was active on the Medicare bill, opposing it strongly. I talked to our Democrats, and they did not oppose it enough.

I could say more, but it won't matter. According to the party I am a conspiracy theorist for wanting my vote to be counted fair and square.



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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 01:07 PM
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12. the gap is relative
on many major issues including invading Iraq, Patriot Act, and international trade agreements that facilitate robbing developing nations of their resources, both parties are in favor, nicely in line with radical/republican capitalism. Which party still represents traditonal labour interests?

Sure there are differences between the parties, but ever more people feel alianated from both parties.
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 01:25 PM
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13. The responses here are just incredible
Edited on Sat Nov-13-04 01:26 PM by sangh0
I can't believe that there are posters who AGREE that this perception of little difference helps the GOP, and yet they continue to help the GOP by voicing that opinion and justifying it "because it's true"

So keep helping the GOP. I'm sure being right will be more than enough consolation
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BlueManDude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 01:51 PM
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15. The Democratic Party is the moderate party. GOP= Radicalism.
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