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Sputnik Donating Member (347 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 08:20 PM
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OK, who/what is Josh Marshall talking about?


http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/

"Any hired-gun who worked for John Kerry and is now publicly -- subtly or not so subtly -- slipping a shiv in his back: that's someone the Democratic party can do without. Clear the decks."


What have I missed?



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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 08:22 PM
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1. Probably referring to the "Kerry lawyer"...
...that said there is no evidence of fraud or malevolent irregularities in the vote in Ohio.
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flowomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 08:24 PM
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2. could be any number of campaign aides who are now....
beefing about the strategies used or the personnel hired or the abilities of the candidate.... from this snip it is not at all clear that the post-election "fraud" issue is what is being referred to.
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 08:25 PM
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3. dunno
but I am tired of all that constant titillation. Sounds like a gossip column instead of analysis.

Why can't the guy just name the facts?
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 08:39 PM
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4. Could he be referring to the "Ragin' Cajun"?
Twelve days before the election, James Carville stood in a Beverly Hills, Calif., living room surrounded by two generations of Hollywood stars. After being introduced by Sen. John Kerry's daughter, Alexandra, he told the room — confidently, almost cockily — that the election was in the bag.

“If we can't win this damn election,” the adviser to the Kerry campaign said, “with a Democratic Party more unified than ever before, with us having raised as much money as the Republicans, with 55 percent of the country believing we're heading in the wrong direction, with our candidate having won all three debates, and with our side being more passionate about the outcome than theirs — if we can't win this one, then we can't win (anything)! And we need to completely rethink the Democratic Party.”

Well, as it turns out, that's exactly what should be done. But instead, Carville and his fellow architects of the Democratic defeat have spent the last week defending their campaign strategy, culminating on Monday morning with a breakfast for an elite core of Washington reporters.

At the breakfast, Carville, together with chief campaign strategist Bob Shrum and pollster Stan Greenberg, seemed intent on one thing — salvaging their reputations.

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http://www.theday.com/eng/web/news/re.aspx?re=5DC3ACBC-E1D6-4EDF-AD0F-D4D532BAACCF

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bear425 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 08:53 PM
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5. Yes, I believe it's J.C. he is referring to... n/t
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 09:03 PM
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6. I mentioned this once.
There is a problem there. That makes two that Carville knived. But when it is pointed out, I get slammed....so I give up.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 09:08 PM
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7. Did Carville slice up Gore also? So long ago and my memory fails me.
Likely, it's more of an ego thing - i.e. "i'm da one 'round heeea who knows how to weeean 'lections" thing than a sabatoge thing though.
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 09:21 PM
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8. all the dem "pundits" and operatives sliced up Gore and now will slice up
Kerry. Otherwise it will be their fault. Can't have that.

As much as I hate it, I wish we had the kind of loyalty the GOP enjoys. Look at McCain. You know he hates Bush but he doesn't stab him in the back.
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POTGNE Donating Member (59 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 09:25 PM
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9. Maybe Matalin has brainwashed him.....
and he's their inside operative.....Ya think????
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 10:11 AM
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14. Hi POTGNE!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 10:10 PM
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10. I don't know who specifially he's talking about, but I appreciate what
he said about all the "pontificating" by Dem Campaign managers about how we need to be more like the Red States and mix with Walmart shoppers more.

I've seen that all over this week by Repugs and Dems saying Dems are too elitist. I don't know who the hell they're talking about except maybe the Campaign Operatives who dine and hang out with all the same lobbyists that the Repugs do.

I like that Josh has said to stop doing navel gazing and throw the Dem Party Op Bums out the door! I'm sick of this whining and South Bashing and all the rest of it. Josh at least gets that when few others don't including many here on DU who think this election is all "OUR" Fault. It's the damned Media and the Campaign Ops whose fault it is...not us out here who don't go to NASCAR races every weekend and ride around with a hound dog and gun in the back of the truck....Sheesh.
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meg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 12:06 AM
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12. Josh misses alot
He is a beltway-elitist with a rather high opinion of himself.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 11:25 PM
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11. It's Joe Lockhart...Schrum hates him and you know the drill
Lockhart is probably trying to distance himself so he can help out Hillary as well as Schrum is trying to get JK to not fire him, hence saying something about Lockhart to get the shakedown to occur a little sooner....
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 12:57 AM
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13. BS
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