I also calculated the probability of GOP fraud in the 2002 Senate races.

The same phenomena as today: The last weekend of polling heavily favored Dems who lost big to Repubs. The "anomalies" in that election (Max Cleland- GA, etc) forecast the 2004 election farce.

Past is Prologue.

Will our so-called Democratic leaders stick their heads in the sand again? If they do, there won't be a Democratic Party in a position to be scammed in 2006 and beyond.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=85732

He may very well have been leading in the Exit Polling, also.

On Edit" Fogot. The abruptly stopped exit the polling when they say the numbers were out of line with the scam.

were wrong.. they planned to release the data they had collected...later.. I don't think it was ever released.

02 was the fine-tune./...04 was the roll-out of the complete "product"

I picked up that exit poll thing from another DUer today, but that's right, but as far as I know, they were never released.

Apparantly VNS was so shocked by the exit polls versus the reported vote tabulations in Georgia that they actually halted the reporting of exit polls on election day. They held an emergency meeting that afternoon to figure what was happening, but could not figure out why their data was suddenly so off in the Senate and Gov. races...and I think around 5-6pm they made a statement:


VNS cites problems with exit polls
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/11/05/elec02.exit.polls/

"VNS issued a statement saying it was "not satisfied with the accuracy of today's exit poll analysis and will not be in a position on election night to publish the results of state and national surveys of voter attitudes."

"CNN.com is committed to bringing you full exit poll results when available. However, Due to problems with exit polls from Voter News Service (VNS), no exit poll data is available for the 2002 elections."

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They assumed the results of Gerogia's brand-new Diebold machines were legitimate, and of course the VNS was disbanded soon after the 2002 election. For two years Delay and Hastert killed in committee the provision to add paper audit trails to the HAVA bill..

Hint:

"USA Today reported on Nov. 3, 2002, ‘In Georgia, an Atlanta Journal-Constitution poll shows Democratic Sen. Max Cleland with a 49%-to-44% lead over Republican Rep. Saxby Chambliss. ‘Cox News Service, based in Atlanta, reported just after the election (Nov. 7) that, “Pollsters may have goofed” because ‘Republican Rep. Saxby Chambliss defeated incumbent Democratic Sen. Max Cleland by a margin of 53 to 46 percent. The Hotline, a political news service, recalled a series of polls Wednesday showing that Chambliss had been ahead in none of them.’” Nearly every vote in the state was on an electronic machine with no audit trail."

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Importantly, VNS had accurate exit polls in Georgia and elsewhere from 1990 to 2000 (except in FL), but 2002 was a different story in both Gerogia and Minnesota, etc. Only one variable changed in GA - Diebold's auditless/paperless e-Voting technology. Hence, it was this very issue in Georgia that prompted Bev Harris to begin her research, start her website, and write a book: "Black box voting."

Their pro knowledge all points to a scam that would take THEM down with it! yet they have been cringing and retooling, apparently with residual honesty all these years.

Apparently not worth buying off or burying considering their own ability to defend themselves.

Can't ANYONE in a position to save the country defend their own job?

And the Dems did their own calculations after 2000 and smelled a rat in over a dozen states besides Florida. HAVA was the answer the GOP steered them to like sheep who had grown a new coat to shear.

It's etched in my memory....the picture of Carville putting a wastebasket on his head in shame on election night........

the last two weeks of that campaign. There was no fraud in that race.

Do your homework, man!

Georgia is trending Republican. That's a fact we have to face. Screaming fraud every time we lose won't help us win future elections.

And as ribofunk mentioned in reply #1, Cleland WAS losing according to early exit poll leaks over the internet. Here is one link, with both lefty Josh Marshall and Drudge indicating their sources had Celand trailing: http://www.danieldrezner.com/archives/000507.html

"GEORGIA -- Both Drudge and Marshall have Chambliss (R) up by 4 points."

There were also exit poll internet numbers indicating Barnes was losing, although I cannot find a link. Major league asshole twerp Rich Lowery of the National Review was releasing by far the most early leaked numbers on NR's website. DUers were quoting and linking to Lowery's insider info repeatedly. Identical to this year, Democrats did fare much better in the early exit poll leaks than the actual results later on, almost without exception. No one is claiming it makes perfect sense.

For whatever reason, Georgia state polls invariably overstate Democratic strength by considerable margin. That dates well before Diebold and has been mentioned by myself and others on DU for years. In '94, our hero Zell Miller was expected to cruise to election as governor according to pre-electon polls, then needed a furious Atlanta rally to barely escape. In '96, Cleland was up high single digits in pre-election polls versus a mediocre and underfunded Republican, then survived by something like 1%. In 2000, polls put Gore within 5 or 6 points of Bush, but he was crushed by double digits. All those races were pre-Diebold in Georgia. I automatically adjust Georgia state polls by 4.5% toward the GOP, via my Partisan Adjustment Number (PAN) theory.

they explained it saying it was named after employee. no employee named roy til well after 8 months finding the file