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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 04:52 PM
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Where is Kucinich with all the Ohio voting scandals?
I haven't heard a peep from him. Has he said anything about what happened in Ohio?
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 04:55 PM
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1. I have not
saved the threads but there have been a few. I believe he has been interviewed several times and gave a speech somewhere. Sorry, I no longer watch the news but it is doubtful it has even been mentioned. You see it here or you don't see it. He is working on it though but I have no threads for you. Perhaps someone else has saved them.
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eek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 04:56 PM
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2. Good Q. Likewise, where was he after the convention?

It rather chapped me that he wasn't out there still slugging away.
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Mrs. Overall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 05:08 PM
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4. I think he is usually out there working hard,
but the media just doesn't give him much serious coverage.

As a country, we aren't ready for any political visionaries, like Kucinich.
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 05:06 PM
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3. going forward with resolve
Going Forward With Resolve

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Hi everyone, Dennis here. Welcome to part of my library. I've been doing a
lot of reading and thinking in these past 24 hours since we have seen the outcome
of the election - so different than what we had hoped for.

I have to admit, myself, to being surprised that John Kerry lost the election.
I did everything I could to try to make it possible for America to take a new
direction - even to the point of beginning my own presidential candidacy almost
two years ago.

All of us in the Kucinich campaign poured ourselves into John Kerry's campaign
so that America could make a new beginning - and I've heard from so many of
you around the country expressing great concern about this outcome, and asking,
"Where do we go from here?"

This is a critical moment, where everything we believe in is being tested,
and everything we stand for and hope for remains on the line. George Bush will
have another four years in the White House. We can predict the direction he'll
take this country and the world.

But what we also need to be able to predict is what we shall do. What our intention
is for this country, the world, the role that we hope to play. Because, certainly,
the feelings of anger and even depression which abound in so many of the circles
that so many of us move in - despite that anger and depression we have to see
things as they are and move beyond this moment to create some new possibilities
in America.

Because, while George Bush is certainly going to have a lot to say about what
happens in the next four years, he's not the only one.

You, I and those with whom we've worked over the last few years have the opportunity
to participate in creating a whole new dialog in America and the world. We
may not have the kind of momentum we had hoped for, which we hoped a Kerry
victory would bring, but we do have our own courage - and our own quality of
heart - which will hold us in good stead in what will surely be some very challenging
times ahead.

I think we need to go through this period of grieving over the election, and
then we have to get ready to bring some closure and move on, and go to a place
of real action again, of real heart-centered action, of willingness to take
on the challenges which this administration is bringing to our nation and the
world.

We need to rededicate ourselves to working for peace. Not just further empowering
the anti-war movement, but to look at peace as a creative endeavor, where we
bring ourselves into working for peace in our relationships, in our communities.

The Department of Peace becomes ever more imperative. And the eleven states
whose Democratic delegations took a strong stand in favor of a Department of
Peace will be focal points of all our efforts to get congressional delegations
to begin to sign on in support of this concept, which is aimed at making non-violence
an organizing principle in our society. If there was ever a time when we needed
that approach, it's now.

On health care: in many states across this country, new iniatives are being
aimed at the state level to help develop a kind of a universal health care
approach within a state. People in Oregon tried it a few years ago and I think
they're going to come back. There's a burgeoning effort in the state of Ohio.
We need to look and see what we can do to promote health care in this country,
and to get people organized around it.

The environment: we know this administration is not going to be good for the
environment - but we also know that we have the opportunity to push forward,
at every level, development of alternative energies.

You know, we're looking at soaring natural gas prices in the next few months.
This gives us some leverage to get popular support for an effort to develop
energy alternatives. (As if we didn't need that - get that - with the higher
gas prices.) But we know with the oil companies having a resurgence in political
power with the re-election of George Bush, it gives us also the ability to
galvanize public support for the development of alternative energy.

There'll be so many things that we can talk about in the days ahead. But I
just wanted to take a few moments of your time to remind you that, while it
would appear that so much was lost on election night, so much remains for us
to do. We have to be firm in our resolve. We have to remember the commitments
that brought us into this contest. That it wasn't just about John Kerry - it
was about us. It was about our hopes, our dreams, our intentions to create
a better nation and a better world. Those commitments remain. They help to
empower us daily.

So, let's grieve over the loss of this election, but let's come together and
realize that it's the unity that we have expressed over these last few years
which gives us real power to bring forth creative change. That, even in this
moment of seeming political darkness, we can find some light - and that light
is within each of us.

This isn't the first time in our nation's history that we've seen bitter divisiveness
- it was in 1865 in March that Abraham Lincoln faced a nation that was horribly
divided in a civil war with massive casualties. And in his second inaugural
address, Lincoln said these words: "With malice toward none, with charity for
all." He gave us a lesson that's valid in our times - not to get pulled into
the bitterness and the divisiveness - to still be heartfelt in our communications
- to at some point separate ourselves from the anger which we all feel and
to move past it, to try and connect with each other once again - through the
heart.

This campaign, for us, began with an understanding of the world being interconnected
and interdependent. It is our connection to all people that causes us to achieve
a higher level of compassion.

So let's remember Lincoln's words - and let's remember our own resolve. And
let's make sure that when we begin a new chapter in the politics of this nation,
we come forward with ever more resolve, ever more courage, ever more heart,
ever more of a spiritual approach - that will enable us to be better-prepared
to help create this new world that we know is just waiting to be called forward.

So, thank you - thank you for participating in this election. Thank you for
your efforts on behalf of John Kerry and thank you for still believing that
we can come together through a collective effort to achieve a transformation
of our social and political structures.

We must never yield to disappointment and to discouragement, because we build
our victories for tomorrow from today's defeats.

So, I look forward to continuing our ongoing discussions. You'll be able to
watch a lot of activity at kucinich.us - there are going to be a lot of exciting
things happening on this Web site.

I hope to speak with you soon - and if I don't talk to you before Thanksgiving,
I hope that you and your families have much to be thankful for in your own
lives and loves, notwithstanding this unfortunate result of the election.

Thank you, and thanks to John Kerry, Teresa Heinz Kerry, John Edwards, Elizabeth
Edwards and their families for giving this nation an opportunity for hope again,
and for showing us a level of decency that reflects well on the potential that
all of us have to touch our fellow citizens.

Thanks, and good day.


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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 05:09 PM
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5. Cool post
I hadn't heard anything in the main channels I check out... thanks for this info.
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 05:25 PM
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6. Here is piece by Dennis that is responsive to your initial post . . .
Edited on Tue Nov-16-04 05:26 PM by goodhue
Published on Wednesday, November 10, 2004 by CommonDreams.org
A Note On The Presidential Election in Ohio
by Congressman Dennis Kucinich

The 2004 presidential election was determined by the results of Ohio. The unofficial result, as reported on November 3, had George Bush with approximately 136,000 more votes than John Kerry. Senator Kerry conceded the election to President Bush. He also said every vote would be counted.

I have been vigilant in monitoring Ohio's election in 2004. Attorneys from my party closely monitored the election before and during election day. While there were some incidents of voter intimidation noted by the attorneys, most if not all cases were resolved at the scene because of quick action by challengers, witnesses, the Kerry campaign, and volunteers from other campaigns including my own.

The unofficial count gave Ohio to George Bush by approximately 136,000 votes. The official count by county Boards of Election will begin on Saturday, November 13, 2004. It is due at the Secretary of State's office by December 1. The Secretary of State must certify the election by December 3.

During this interim period, attorneys from both political parties, and those representing me, will be watching the procedures by county Boards of Elections carefully. Among the most important issues to note is the counting of the overvotes. Overvotes occur when more than one candidate is indicated on the punch card. Another issue relates to whether all properly cast provisional ballots will be counted.

My constituents have also brought other issues to my attention. In an effort to provide appropriate government oversight, I am reviewing every issue and bringing them to the attention of attorneys, congressional authorities, party officials, or Boards of Elections, as appropriate. I want to assure my constituents and others who have contacted me with their concerns, that I am paying c lose attention to this important period of time between the initial results and the official vote tabulation and will not hesitate to take appropriate legal action where supported by facts.

Serious problems surfaced in this election that must be addressed at the state and national level. Some were inefficiencies in handling the massive turn out. No citizen should have to wait for hours to vote, or worry whether their vote was actually counted.

Glitches in electronic voting in the Columbus area should move all legislatures to demand paper receipts for voting machines. Without such a paper trail, no true recount can ever be done. Note that no Diebold electronic voting machines were employed in Ohio.

Clear efforts at voter suppression and intimidation were well handled by the courts and election officials. Dirty tricks occurred across the state, including phony letters from Boards of Elections telling people that their registration through some Democratic activist groups were invalid and that Kerry voters were to report on Wednesday because of massive voter turnout. Phone calls to voters giving them erroneous polling information were also common. Attempts to subvert our right to fair elections must be investigated and prosecuted when possible.

With passion running so high in this country and specter of Florida 2000 still hanging over the presidential voting process, it is important to gather hard evidence prior to disputing the legitimacy of the election.

Meanwhile, it is obvious that the Help America Vote Act of 2002 needs to be refined. Arduous voter identification rules unfairly penalize the poor, lead to a violation of rights and defeat the intent of the act.

The official tabulation of votes for Ohio will begin on Saturday and will include four categories not reflected in the unofficial count: provisional ballots, late absentee ballots, overseas military and overseas civilian.

If the difference between George Bush and John Kerry is less than one quarter of one percent after the official tally is completed (about 16,000 votes) an automatic recount occurs under Ohio law.

If the margin is greater than one quarter of one percent, a candidate can request a recount at an expense to the candidate of $10 per precinct. Because there are approximately 12,000 precincts in Ohio, the recount would cost about $120,000, before legal fees. A recount would entail a visual inspection of every punch card ballot.

I believe we must pursue every lead which raises questions about the integrity of the electoral process. Our work may not change the outcome, but it will demonstrate that beyond our commitment to our candidates, we have a higher commitment to our democracy.

Congressman Dennis J. Kucinich (D-OH) is Co-Chair of the Congressional Progressive Caucus.

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http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1110-31.htm

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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 05:45 PM
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7. Thanks
I am bookmarking this to respond to these questions that seem to come up every few days. I appreciate that you have this and saw it in another post of yours.
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