Carville: "Don' bury Dean yet"

On Crossfire, he said Dean had run an amazing campaign and had shown remarkable organizing skills, and it was far too soon to start writing his political obituary. (paraphrase)

but I don't think you have to be as smart as the Rajun Cajun to figure that out.

Dean has a huge army of volunteer supporters and a massive amount of money. Why would he stop now?

Its becomming harder and harder to distinguish him from bowtieboy and that scum faced novak anymore, the way he bashes Dean is worse than republican.

He's never said so, but I get the distinct impression that he supports Sen. Kerry. OTOH, I think Carville likes my guy, but also has a great deal of admiration for Dr. Dean. :)

angry little man" or something like that. Begala was disgusting, writing the obituary giving RNC Talking points about Deans statements.

They think they control the election? Maybe they do.....sadly. Maybe they know much more than we do. It was an awful show. I'm sorry I turned it on. Made my head explode!

I think Dean will win tonight, and Begala and Bow Tie Boy will not even acknowledge their erroneous predictions...

and wouldn't name the second place finisher. Novak said it would be Kerry in first and Dean second. I missed Tucker and Carville's predictions.

They were so damned cocksure of themselves I felt like I was watching the Networks the night of 2000! This was really scary to me. How could they be so sure? Who told them? Kerry suddenly is the anointed? They will make it so?

I will never watch them again. I will tune the damn stuff out. If the Media suceeds in doing to any of our candidates what they did to Gore then they are truly all powerful. We don't have a chance if they can pick before Iowa has even caucused WHO the Dem Winner will be. And, they seem to feel their predictions will hold right up until the Election!

n/t

I imagine they're not too crazy about Gore these days.

Whenever someone comes to speak for Clark they get attacked from both sides. last begala thingy: Clark is a Republican.

After reading "Is Our Children Learning," Begala was my hero. I find it disheartening to hear that.

Bush knew! Begala is a pig!

It was too soon to crown him the victor and it's also too soon to assume that he's failing. People are quick to jump to conclusions when it comes to Dean, but he's going to have to work hard to secure the nomination and we'll see how it all pans out. :)

Carville is a funny man.

I dont get it.

for Dean in getting him ready for the race.

Your point?

I guess that's not exactly true after all. I think it's safe to say Carville will enthusiastically support whoever wins the nomination. BTW, why would anyone declare Dean dead even if he doesn't win Iowa? Talk about premature ...

Even if Dean comes in second, there will be people here and in the media that will label him a loser.

Considering the guy came from the bottom of the ranks to being a frontrunner...I don't get how one primary has turned into the end-all, be-all of the campaign in some people's eyes. It never was for this Dean supporter, even when Dean's numbers were higher.

He'll vote for a ham sandwich with a (D) beside it. ;)

n/t

The bit on HBO's K Street with Dean and Carville was hilarious.

That and other than today's comment, he's been very supportive of Dean in general.

different candidates, but Begala was so convinced he was obnoxious..totally obnoxious. And, since everyone knows he *was* a Democrat it made it even more brutal.

Dean has a following and Dean has momentum. He was so strong it basically left the others in the dust for a while and now they are making natural surges. It was the phonomenon that was so interesting and even invigorating. I don't think Dean is ready to check out of this race by a long shot, the complexion has just changed a bit. I am not a Dean fanatic, but he has given me some optimism for my party convinced me I do not stand alone in my ideological leanings. I will support the Democratic Nominee, whoever that may be.

I just want the nominee to have some fire, and be able to lead us out of this quagmire with conviction, passion and leadership. There is a difference between the two parties, lets start bragging about it instead of trying to obscure it.

I don't see the 'loose cannon' or 'angry, little man' stuff at all; he and edwards can both get angry, and we all need to remember that there's plenty to be angry about! :)

I thought seriously about supporting Edwards in the early days. Young, charismatic, southern. He seemed to have the right credentials. If he becomes the candidate I will certainly give him my wholehearted support.
Dean's Take Back the Party slogan, however, was a like a touchstone to me. And thats what pulled me toward him and away from the other candidates. We are not Republicans, we should not try to disguise ourselves so. We should stand proud as Democrats and those of use who are of the Liberal persuasion should shout it from the mountain tops and take our label back from the mindless ditto heads and others of their ilk.
I just hope whoever gets the nomination, really runs and runs hard. I hope he does not let himself (I can say that now) get bogged down by so many political advisors that gut instinct is the first casualty of his campaign.

Dean's fire is the only thing the party has going for it. The rest of the candidates are letting him do all the trailblazing through the neo-con garbage, and then they attack him for it. LOL

He's gonna get all the credit, though. And if Dean ever DID drop out of the race (which he won't, of course)....the Democratic campaign would suddenly become as exciting as Thursday Night Bingo at Shady Acres Retirement Community. The election would be OVER.

And, those who ride on Dean's coatails while they trash him as he led the pack....well, I have no respect for that at all. And if Carvill and Begala wish they'd thought up Dean's campaign then tough nuts to them.

They are the "sour grapes" has beens who are now hawking their wares in the media for whore money to keep them in their, I'm sure, very nice trendy lifestyles.

Dr. Dean has been doing the heavy lifting for this party for almost a year, and he's the only reason we're even in the same ball park and able to THINK about taking Bush on successfully this coming November. I'll not bash the man, nor will I be silent when others do.

He's not my candidate but that reference to 'storm troopers' was infuriating. I've emailed all sorts of people about it, really got worked up.
It's not surprising the media has decided to turn and rend Dean, but the suddenness and viciousness is remarkable.

Why is it neccessary to demonize Dr. Dean? I've never understood that...:shrug:

The media is carnivorous, that's a fact.

I see one DUer has no objection to the term 'storm trooper.' May be very young, I don't know, but most people do not have any other word association for storm trooper than NAZI. Dean is a sensitive guy and he cannot possibly have a tin ear for such a term. Even if some of the younger set are using the term, putting it in print was inexcusable.

He is a fine man but he needs to get a firmer hand on the controls of his campaign. The national media are all whores for headlines and they will merrily destroy anyone to sell their fishwrap. Just ask Al Gore.

I agree with you. It was hard to get excited about anyone, then along came Dean. Hardly a blip on the radar but he was saying what everyone else was afraid to say. He deserves the credit and I hope he is in the race to the end. I am very worried about the Bingo thing, it cannot become a snoozefest. Truth must rule the day, and our candidate must be the standardbearer of that Truth. Agressively speaking out on all the truths behind the propaganda machine of the Bush administration.

too, says whatever is expedient at the time. My how we need people in this party with guts or this party is going to be completely gutted.

all the way. Who stood up for Gore? I didn't see any of it. They didn't have a show then, and I'll admit Carvill did try.....but I never saw much of Begala.

Although Dean has slipped a bit in recent days, he is not yet ready to fold the tent. He has a lot of fight left. Much of the prognostication is probably wishful thinking...

Just like some Democrats, like Ann Richards see something in Howard Dean that boggles my mind. I don't automatically call her names so I can't understand why somebody who says something negative about Dean is automatically called names.

I like what Carville had to say about Kerry, he's gone through the worst that life has to offer and defeated it all. He's a warrior. He can stand on a stage and without even opening his mouth, make George Bush look like a scrawny little wimp.

the day he called me a snot-nosed brat - just for supporting Howard Dean.

That was a sad day indeed.

and to some extent Begala.

Normally, when I watch Crossfire, I get disgusted with Tucker Carlson and Robert Novak because, well, they're jerks at times. I believe that all Republicans (hee, I'm a philosopher) have good traits and bad traits, and Novak and Carlson usually embody most of the bad and none of the good.

But today, they were both very civil. I was pleased to see them speaking positively about Edwards, who is my pick. Though there were a few jabs here and there, they were mostly joking in nature and what one would expect from that type of show. But Carville was just nasty when he was talking about getting Bush and Kerry on a stage. He was right, but there was no need for him to go Bush-bashing when the Republicans on the show were being courteous and almost nonpartisan for once.

But I think they are whistling past the cemetary!
The tea is in the goddam harbor, dammit!! LOL