Truthout.com is showing a picture of a dead American

a young man laying in a house in a pool of blood. It is the sadest picture.

How many of our children are dead now? over 1200? and about 9,000 wounded. 100,000 Iraqis.

And I just read that we are upping the number of troops again because of the increase in insurgent attacks. They will cover it up by calling it rotating in and out.

So many people dead now. And I can't see that much has really been accomplished.

...you too could pace
Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
His hanging face, like a devil's sick of sin;
If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,
Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud
Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,
My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old Lie; Dulce et Decorum est
Pro patria mori.
(It is sweet and glorius to die for ones country)

Wilfred Owen
Dulce et Decorum Est
http://www.warpoetry.co.uk/owen1.html

I'm not sure where that is - but we would never see this from the American Press.

Someone's son or husband or father. Dead on the floor. I wish they would show these pictures over here. Maybe it would bring home the truth.

I saw last nite that the Pentagon was complaining about the embedded Press showing those videos in Faluja where the marine shot the wounded man.

We may not have any photographers allowed in the war zone soon.

:cry:

not so sure it is a good thing to show this picture. Since many people are not notified immediately of a death.

the gentleman that said it went too far is correct...in so far as how terrible war really is...my uncle Lenard was a medic in WWII and had to pick up pieces of our dead soldiers to send home to be buried...what was left...if anything..the problem with not wanting to see these horrors is human...but to live with the memories as pictured above will take a saints virtue...BUT...

I have to say for the record...Americans need to see the truth...despite how brutal it may be...as a History major...may we that see this...REMEMBER IT...AND...NEVER LET IT HAPPEN AGAIN!!!! Our young troops will never ever be the same naive children they were...

stock numbers for Halliburton?

Bring our troops home now!

About three thousand people died in the September 11th attacks, but so many more people are dying because of our wars. People say the difference is that we don't target civilians. I don't care. Dead is dead. And no, we're not accomplishing much. We're just getting our troops killed. Bring them home NOW.

you can't EVER leave :(

www.truthout.org

if feel very sick right now, I think I'll go sit down away from this depressing stuff for awhile

this. And keep on talking about how wonder we are doing in Iraq.

Is it some wierd kind of dementia? It's like none of this is even happening.

And now we find out we are spending 5.8 billion a month for this?

This is so disgusting. And for What?

It's all so some punk-ass pricks can make their fortunes grow even larger... extend their corporate reach... after all, we need that oil... those building spots for WalMart and StarBucks... we need another market for the networks to broadcast their shite... we need to brainwash the entire mideast population so they can be good little obedient consumers, paying their taxes and supporting shite like this... just like us.

*chokes*

if it's not on Fox News, it never happened - that's the wing nut mind set.

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goes too far. What goes too far is the war itself. War is an abomination and an illegal war is worse than that. There is absolutely no justification for that young man to be dead. If this photo brings more to the same conclusion, he won't have died in vain.

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but I'm not suprised you took the easy way out.

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Your statement was simplicity personified.What other kind of question could one ask :eyes:

And I think I'll stay....boy.

Good work, Mods.

:eyes:

Then you'd feel much better, wouldn't you? Too bad. It's real. Deal with reality. Contrary to the doublespeak words of this admin., the world is reality-based. Upset about what you see? Then try to stop it from happening BEFORE it happens and not after it is recorded.

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Studies are currently being published establishing just how I manage to write without that knowledge. It's a puzzlement to many. Much more puzzling than the question of just how long you'll be around here. :hi:

and the soon to be dead.

Still, I think at the very minimum the poor boy's face should be obscured.

never saved anyone-
silence, and hiding the vulgar obscene reality of war and violence is the ONLY way to stop it-

SILENCE and DENIAL kill- every bit as much as bombs and bullets-

That is why the war and abuse had to be brought onto 'american soil'-
it's easy to ignore what is happening to people oceans away- or when they are simply words on a paper, or voices that briefly hang in the air-

Things look alot different when they have a face-
when they are undeniably real-
if we don't want to have to 'see' it, we HAVE to find a way to stop it-

we should be shocked, disturbed, and appalled- for ALL the victims

IMHO.

I grew up during the last bloody days of Vietnam. That kind of stuff was shown on my m&d's TV every evening. the only difference is that it was overseen by quality journalists who knew they had a valuable place in democracy.

They didn't feel the need to "protect" us then.

Is ordering men to die for a lie going too far, or is showing the results of that order going too far.

Pictures tell the truth. Ask anyone who survived Abu Ghraib. Would people have given a crap about what happened there if the pictures hadn't come out? Doubtful.

For the record, it was my decision to run that photo. I stand by it 100%.

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Not from me though.

I'm proud of you for taking this stand. I grief for the soldier, as do most Americans regardless of how the right wing paints us.

Viva t r u t h o u t! Thanks for all you do.

The networks don't have the guts to show us the truth... but someone must.

Someone has to. Some way, we must show those who voted for our opponents the truth. I am copying it and putting it everywhere I know a lot of people will see it. Its the best I can do in Indianapolis. The press won't do anything about it when I send them a copy and ask them why in HELL they aren't running it. (Ron Artest may be of more importance in Indy today, but I digress). So I'll have to put it on telephone poles and on buses and in Taxis until everyone is aware. You keep printing those pictures Will. And I will keep getting them out the best I can.

Good for you, Mr. Pitt. Else, out of sight-out of mind.

Using the most effective tactics for reaching the American Grand Jury is our only means of survival at this dire time, not just a matter of aesthetics or privacy.

We MUST learn to use the propaganda tactics of effective messaging which the government and its corrupt allies have been using on all of us for decades to bring us to this state of "catastrophic success."

Then we MUST warn our fellow citizens of the neo-con fascist scam perpetrated on them and restore the US Constitution,Geneva Conventions, rule of law, and professional accountability to a revered place in their hearts.

Learn how to warn others that we have a case of corporate parasites on us who are killing us because not enough of us realize this urgent need for a quick change in what we're doing as a country.

1) PHOTOS ARE THE BEST EVIDENCE

I recommend a relentless postering campaign of war dead and injured on every public surface.

Our brains are hard-wired to respond sympathetically with someone else's pain. Photos can speak those thousands of words necessary to cut through the BushCo 'War on Terror' cover story for an oil war.

The blood has already been spilled and merely needs to be shown to the public.
http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_page1.htm

2) LEARN HOW PROPAGANDA WORKS. USE IT TO SPREAD GOOD INFO
TO COUNTER THE DIS-INFO THAT GOT US AND KEEPS US DOWN.

'BushSpeak' is text-book (1979 US Army Propaganda Field Manual 33-1) psychological manipulation and deception and it is working well on the large number of Americans who are suggestable through ignorance, disinformation, and emotional vulnerability.

Learn what works in language and persuasion technology and use these effective methods to shape people's opinions by countering the harm already done with good information and a clear concise expanantion of the scam told in vocabulary they audience can and WANT to hear.
http://www.fas.org/irp/doddir/army/fm33-1/

I intend to write a comparison to show how Dubya's persona is deliberately crafted to fool his enemy, the American public, with the use of this US Army Propaganda Manual 33-1 and Biderman's Chart of Coercion detailing the eight standard techniques used to break the minds and wills of prisoners. It was compiled by Amnesty International and codifies methods used for years by militaries and law enforcement around the world against prisoners.

The same tactics are used to design the lifestyle of the working American masses to effectively influence their obedience, work ethic, willingness to suffer and kill, and ability or willingness to resist.

Abusive domestic partners and parents use these methods, especially on physically weaker people like females and children.

Micro-cosm/Macro-cosm. Fascism begins in the home within us.

of war, that it's not real to the uninvolved public. People should know what the human consequences are of this war, for the troops and the Iraqis. It's ugly. Even in the best of causes (and this is not one of those) there is a horrifying human toll in every war. The maimed, the wounded, the dead. Military and civilian.

They sanitize the war so people will be less repelled by warfare and more likely to support it. People don't want to see it, people don't want to know. Nevertheless, some bit of the reality should at least slip in from time to time. If it disturbs us, it should.

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If I was a troll I would be too.

http://fallujapictures.blogspot.com/

this is war people and they should show these pictures in every high school in America!!

Those poor kids are going to be in the middle of it soon.

A better place to post them would be in every fundamentalist church you can find. Put 'em in the pews. Put them in hymnals. Put on windshields during Sunday service. Put them everywhere the people with "moral values" can see them when they go to prey on their Jesus.

:grr:

Truthout.org is one of the best sites on the Net. In the Facist Amerika we now have it is vital that we have citizens such as yourself that are bold enough to publish TRUTH.

THANK YOU.

Before *kids* sign up for the military, they need to know what they're in for.

lied to get his way to put our young in harm's way. He called himself a "war president" and was proud of it, even though his own service to his country is full of doubts and dubious claims. He invaded a country that was no threat to us at all, in his megalomania.

We have a country that apparently, the majority of which approves of it. What can we say about that? Nothing but mourn for the direction this man has taken it, and for the cowardly disinterest on the part of those people or the wild nationalsim that causes them to believe the lives of these young are worth it to preserve our "freedoms"

He cannot admit that he made a horrific mistake. He cannot admit to any mistake. He cannot find it in his heart to feel either guilt of compassion for these fallen soldiers and their families, whose death he caused.

They are not important. They are the little guys under his command and if he has to, in order to preserve his own sick sense of ego, will even blame them when things go wrong. He is more interested in keeping up his insane, egotistic pretense of being the cowboy, six shooter "war president" that never makes a mistake, and that he is strong and resolved to continue on.

He is indeed, an insane despot.

Beautifully written.

printed. American journalism, that is, since Al Jezeera does not seem to have that same tradition. Dead "others", however are OK. My friend, the editor in chief of a local newspaper ,advised me of that. I can understand those who are repelled by it.

if people are not confronted with it squarely they will not realize what is really going on.

Its easy to sit here, half a world away, and say the war is justified because of this or that. The only way to get b eyond that is to see the truth and be so appalled by it that you are moved into action.

When Sims was found shot on a kitchen floor in Fallujah on Saturday night, the company’s Iraqi translator had to be held back while he collapsed in tears.
http://www.estripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=25573

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1375688

But if America will not learn through peace and tolerance, then she will learn through the death of her children in an illegal invasion. I am tired of trying to spread the truth. American has chosen. I shall shed no tears for her children.

a plane comes in with more dead. Keep showing the coffins, keep showing injured soldiers being carried off planes, etc. Maybe enough people will get sick of it