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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 09:14 PM
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Olbermann comments on Kerry's comments
But the video is just plain weird. The phrasing of the start of the relevant passage—“Regardless of the outcome of this election”— is open to the same kind of parsing and confusion usually reserved for the latest release from Osama Bin Laden. Those seven words are extra-temporal; they are tense-free. In them he could be describing an election long-since decided, or one whose outcome is still in doubt.

And the timing and delivery of the message are equally confusing. No notification to the media? When much of the mechanism of political coverage is kick-started by statements like this one? And its issuance on a Friday afternoon— the moment of minimum news attention so famously titled “Take Out The Trash Day” on the NBC series “The West Wing”?— is perplexing, if not suspicious.

It has the vague feel of deliberate ambiguity, as if Kerry is saying to those who are plagued by doubts about the vote just seventeen days ago, that he agrees with them, but they shouldn’t tell anybody. It’s exactly what these confusing times do not need: more confusion.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6210240/
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 09:18 PM
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1. Keith I think this is just the begining
you are missing it... and many others are.

Yep you got the parsing correctly, he has been throwing many a coded messages out there

They might be close to finding the smoking gun.

OIF I think some people are missing it because I want you folks TO START THNKING in NIXONIAN terms

;-)

I know to use Nixon in a liberal site may be weird, but hey, whatever works
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 09:27 PM
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7. My Repub friends refer to Nixon as that pussy
Saying he was too liberal for the rest of the party at the time, and that was part of why they sold him down the river. They cite that he was into health care, went to China, and stuff like that.

So I don't think it's that weird.

Strange. As I watch the election, I keep comparing the players to various political characters in history.

At alternating times, Kerry's role has reminded me of
JFK (obvious)
Humphrey (what with the 1968 style convention protests)
Dole (running against instead of for)
Clinton (when he had the big "MO")
Gore (a bit stiff, and the whole vote thing)


But the weirdest thing is that he reminds me of Nixon in 1960 with "I will concede for the good of the country," followed by "let the investigations begin!"

I wonder what he'd think about being compared to Tricky.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 09:31 PM
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10. Good question but what got me thinking of this was
Edwards, EVERY VOTE will be counted, and the "I got your back man" statement in the midst of the concession

I went, ok... kerry is conceding but telling one of his friends that he has his back... was WEIRD... so I started thinking and after two days I went... my god they are borrowing from Tricky Dick's play book since... lets face it you think the Repukes will even expect that one?

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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 09:19 PM
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2. Bravo to Keith.
Never thought I'd be applauding any mainstream journalist, but ... he's exactly right.

"It’s exactly what these confusing times do not need: more confusion."



:hippie:


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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 09:24 PM
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6. Think REPUBLICAN RADAR...
You want a clear lock on target?

:-)

there is something brewing I know hard to see, but there is.

Oh and this has a name in Intelligence Operations, Disinformation... the confusion is meant to get them Republicans OFF track.

If they find the evidence you will see it SOON... and this is what I think we are seeng right now.

Not that I have any trust in the courts, ok... or the system anylonger

But hey, they will try.

Anybody hear the guns tracking the OH demos?
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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 09:31 PM
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9. I respectfully disagree with you ...
Please stop trying to convince me that there's some 'big scheme' afoot in the Kerry camp.

Thank you.


:hippie:
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 09:34 PM
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11. Ok not tyring to convince you
You want to believe what ever you want to believe fine....

Just pointing to the rest of the class what is going on

What Kerry is doing, if I am reading this well, is CLASSIC asymetrical warfare with plenty of disinfo to throw in there

He WASN'T quite special Forces, but he did play along with plenty of those folks... he did learn some tricks along the way, and if this is what is going on, he learned well....

The enemy, and yes you have to think of them as the enemy, never served, as good as Rove is... and the rest of them, they are not used to having disinfo, and coded messages and under the radar operations... they truly don't

Hence why they never plan for this...

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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 04:53 PM
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26. Kerry was a prosecutor - when you conduct a criminal investigation
into white collar crimes such as fraud, you don't annouce your intentions to the suspects or the targets of your investigation, you handle it secretly in an effort to continue your investigation as quietly and efficiently as possible, before the suspect can destroy evidence, interfere with witnesses and totally cover up the crime. It is like investigating a murder without a body, you know there has been a murder, but you can't find the corpus delicti, so you investigate and try not to tip off the suspect and hope that he gets cocky and leads you to the body or sloppy and helps you find what he did with it. The suspect of course continues to scream, there is no body and there has been no crime, the prosecutor is just on a witch hunt.

I have read Kerry statements and watched his interviews and speeches since election night, and I am of the opinion that he is saying he is angry they stole it, he knows they stole it and he is doing his best to get the facst and to the truth.

Grand juries are secretive bodies that investigate allegedly crime quietly, secretively and do not return indictments until they have gathered the facts.
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formernaderite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 09:13 PM
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35. I'm curious.....
...and let me preface this by saying, I can wear tinfoil with the best of them. What will all of you say when this conspiracy doesn't pan out? How will you interpret these "parsed" words of Kerry's?

I just don't see it...it's a pipe dream...and the pipe's obviously a water pipe. Me, I'm waiting, holding my breathe for the results. I'll just keep breathing in between. Sort of like getting rid of hiccups.

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Heath.Hunnicutt Donating Member (454 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 10:12 PM
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17. You are right. Let's live underneath the RADAR for now.
I think you are 200% right. This is what people also call "time on target". The actual impact is still down-range.

The news item this week regarding DLC being pissed at Kerry for winding up with $15M is interesting, too. It's like they wanted to remind us that there is still a war chest. Why would they publicize their in-fighting?

Anyway, we should not talk too much about this in public. All of us who agree that a message is being sent need to figure out how to lay groundwork.

Perhaps Repubs all around us will agree that these cabinet resignations look bad, there is lots of evidence of vote tampering, but I guess Bush is going to be inaugurated, for sure. In other words: plant seeds. Lay groundwork. Nothing to see here, no reason to be alarmed, but, gosh, wouldn't you just for a second entertain the thought that this Bush election thing might have been both a mistake and a fraude? Not that it has any consequence, mind you, because there is nothing to see here, and no reason to become alarmed. Move along...

Heath
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 11:30 PM
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38. One telling fact:
The lawyers and searches have not been called off. It's not over yet.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 09:20 PM
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3. What is there to say
until there is a solid and undeniable case for fraud?

We are still collecting evidence.

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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 09:20 PM
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4. How did you do that gray background for the quote? nt
nt
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 09:54 PM
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13. Eric, here's the code...
<div class="excerpt">text here</div>

Eric, replace < and > with the corresponding square brackets. :)

Go ahead & try one.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 10:48 PM
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18. I'll play.
Like this?


Am I cool, or what? B-)
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 11:41 PM
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19. Alriiiiiight! :)
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TexasChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 11:52 PM
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20. Oh, shoot! That's right. You can do all of HTML! I was just doing the
basics, bold, italic! Thanks!
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 10:36 AM
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24. test
Edited on Sat Nov-20-04 10:36 AM by Eric J in MN
So-and-so said:

Go vegetarian!



end test


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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 04:58 PM
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27. test
i hope this works


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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 04:58 PM
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28. test
i hope this works



yes! thank you
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 05:04 PM
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31. I have to try it!

How's this :silly: :)
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 09:58 PM
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36. oops
Edited on Sat Nov-20-04 10:00 PM by nu_duer
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muse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 09:24 PM
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5. Keith, not all of the media is as fun and cooperative as you are, so yeah
he sent the message just to us. This seems to be a message for the grassroots supporters - and we are into a "we are the media"/"be the media" kind of thing. That was the attitude prevalent on the kerry blog, anyway (which I was a frequent poster on as muse4kerry).
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aprillcm Donating Member (168 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 10:02 PM
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16. Hey Muse :)
:) I miss the Blog, April

P.S. and shes right!
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TexasChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 11:54 PM
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21. OMG! April, is that you? It's me, jenniferforkerryedwards! :)
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aprillcm Donating Member (168 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 04:31 PM
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25. Its Me :)
How ya doing?? Been a tough few weeks. But I think if we stick together we may be able to save something of this country we all love!! I hope they get something started someplace so we can all come back together again, there is talk of it :) I miss all the bloggers they were a tough bunch!
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TexasChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 07:55 PM
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33. You were always the tough one! You used to crack me up! Did you
ever think the election would come to this? Sickening, isn't it? Of course, I knew that Chimp would steal it, effin' loser! He has been a loser his whole life!


:hug:
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angrydemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 12:36 AM
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42. Hi April !
Do all of you miss the K/E blog as much as I do?
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 05:04 PM
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30. Try this
kerryblog.blogspot.com With more to come soon. Don't tell Keith or he'll accuse me of being confusing and wishy-washy! Kerryblogger too, although I generally kept the two identities separate.
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angrydemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 12:30 AM
Response to Reply #21
40. Hi Jenn It's mistyforkerry!
I glad to find so many people from the blog! How are ya!
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angrydemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 12:33 AM
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41. Hi muse! mistyforkerry here!
I miss the K/E blog! We always had fun there!
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 09:31 PM
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8. He's creating a movement
actually helping to build upon a movement Dean really made mainstream.

This isn't your televised photo-op of a message.
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Tamyrlin79 Donating Member (944 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 09:58 PM
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14. What do you mean?
Edited on Fri Nov-19-04 09:58 PM by Tamyrlin79
"actually helping to build upon a movement Dean really made mainstream."


What do you mean by "build on"? And who is "he"? Kerry or Keith Olbermann? You lost me here. And, out of curiosity, what exactly did Dean make mainstream? The movement for change in general, or opposition to electronic voting or...???
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 05:30 PM
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32. The movement of internet grassroots activism
Dean def. did a good job of it with his website and this new video looks like Kerry's angle at it.

Kerry didn't mean the video to be a photo-op but it was a personal message to the ground troops. There is red meat in every corner of that message.

Olbermann is sharp, he knows what's going on.
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muse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 09:58 PM
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15. Exactly.
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unfrigginreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 09:44 PM
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12. Good for you Keith
It's nice to see someone wading through the bullshit.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 12:30 AM
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22. bush is going down
he's either going down through vote fraud coming to light, or going down because of all the 9/11 crap, and invasion of Iraq, and energy dealings, I really think that this one lady on here was right, he's going to get asked to leave the White House if he doesn't take himself out of the job first!


:spank: :crazy:
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 11:36 PM
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39. I vote for voter fraud
because then Cheney and all go down with him.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 12:34 AM
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23. This reminds me of someone who wants to advance to the end of the film...
...to see the ending.

Sorry, you can't read the end of the book first. Let the story play out.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 04:59 PM
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29. LOL, I love your analogy!
We are a quick fix society, drive thru satisfaction. Everything on t.v. happens in an hour or at least a season, why can't this! :silly: (sarcasm)

Crazy me, I love reading the entire book!
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 08:56 PM
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34. some books, if too tense, I have to admit I skip to the back to see
if the good guys win.

Sometimes stress really gets to me.....even reading fiction books.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 10:00 PM
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37. nu_duer comments on Olberman comments on Kerry comments
Edited on Sat Nov-20-04 10:04 PM by nu_duer


I think its just plain weird that somebody like Olberman can tout a view as narrow as he does in that piece. Is it possible the wording and the timing could be by design? Maybe Kerry did exactly what he wanted to with this.

I liked it. I cheered when Kerry said, "regardless of the outcome of this election." Gave me hope.

Its not clear what Kerry is up to, tho I have my suspicions. But why, while spending so much time on BBV, on the possibility that the Kerry was elected on Nov.2, would Keith, and others, be so quick to throw stones at him? I wasn't surprised by Donna Brazile, p-o'd but not surprised. But I am surprised at Keith. And at a lot of people who simultaneously claim that Kerry is good enough to be President, yet can't give him the benefit of the doubt here.

What do we have to lose by trusting the guy we all just voted for? For now.

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