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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 10:40 AM
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The Kiss with Condoleeza
My problem with the kiss and with the appointment of Rice as Secretary of State is the clear sense of entitlement and arrogance that Chimp projects with it. Treating Rice in a personal way (kissing in the way he did), rather than in the traditional, more formal, way suggests to me that he sees himself with a very personal sense of entitlement to his "throne". Look also at the changes he was having made to the bedroom in the WH. All suggests an overarching arrogance that really pisses me off.

Also, about the kiss(es), he treats Rice as his own little personal 'ho'. I'm sorry to say that, and I know some will hear misogynist overtones or whatever, but he truly reminds me of some low-rate pimp these days. He's so damn slimy and he looks at her with such a smarmy sense of ownership, it bugs me out. I wonder if his appointing minorities to serve beneath him makes him feel like an old time southern slave-owner and gives him a rush of power... Any thoughts?
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 10:44 AM
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1. He looks at everyone
with that smarmy sense of ownership. Creepy and disgusting and the reason that I would hate him no matter what party he was in or what his policies were. I despise people like that. So you add that to who and what he is and how he is dismantling this country and the rest of the world and I would say yes, he has an overarching sense of arrogance.
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molly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 10:46 AM
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2. Gosh and all Clinton did on camera was hug Monica
:shrug: double standard huh?
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 10:47 AM
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3. I have had the feeling
that his minority appointments aren't done because he thinks the people are his equals, but rather his servants to do his bidding. Like you, he gives me the feeling of an old time Southern plantation owner. That class was extremely arrogant and did their best to instill racism as an institution not just to put down blacks but to cement their position of power among whites in the south. As long as poor whites felt that they had someone to look down upon, they were content with their sorry lot in life. Somehow, with the gay-bashing that went on in this past election, I can't help but feel that the planter class hasn't resurrected itself and is up to its old tricks, substituting one minority for another as objects of fear and hate.
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GCP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 10:48 AM
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4. Did you notice her beaming face afterward?
She's definitely got the hots for him.

Maybe she's Madame de Pompadour of our own Sun King.

What changes to the WH bedroom - is he installing a huge king-size bed so he can have Condi and Pickles both in with him at the same time? :evilgrin:
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jackster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 10:54 AM
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11. condi has defintely got a thing for georgie
watch her - she's like a giggly school girl around him!

that whole my hus-i mean the pres thing - that really speaks volumes I think - the woman has NEVER been married.....

some of my friends think I'm nuts here - but it just creeps me out!

btw - I too want to know what's going on with the bedroom....!!!!!
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 10:48 AM
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5. Personally, I think he's doing her.
Edited on Sat Nov-20-04 10:49 AM by ocelot
But regardless, it was absolutely inappropriate as a public gesture. He kissed the other new appointee, too, and in a way that was worse because he's not a close friend of this woman (even if he and Condor Lizard aren't an "item," they are known to be close friends). If my boss kissed me while congratulating me for a promotion I'd sue his ass for sexual harassment. And if my boss were Shrub, I'd have to get myself decontaminated. Eewww. I'd rather empty bedpans in a cholera ward.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 10:50 AM
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6. He also pecked Spellings on the lips,
so I would discount the "southern slave-owner" scenario. I think the rest of your points are very valid. You've verbalized my discomfort with those scenes. This plays into his sense of entitlement.

I think kissing someone like that was a way of subtly undermining their authority. I've never had any bosses kiss me like that, although I've had a friendly hug or two as I left a job.
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koopie57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 10:50 AM
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7. My take on it
was that there was more romance involved. I didn't see the kiss that everyone is referring to, but I did see him kissing her on the cheek and it sure looked like it was something he was use to doing. She giggled and blushed and acted like a junior high school girl. The whole atmosphere of her accepting the nomination for sec of state was not 'normal' in the sense of the seriousness nature of what she was signing on for, but more like being crowned homecoming queen.
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slor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 10:54 AM
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12. "homecoming queen"...
Maybe, unbeknownst to us, she was actually being named "rapturecoming queen".
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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 10:55 AM
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13. from what I could gather/stomach from her "acceptance" speech
it was all about serving him.

disgusting.

p.s. I really hope we're seeing the second coming of Nixon here. }(
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 11:05 AM
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18. I'd happily take Nixon back.
Even he wasn't this creepy. But I know your reference was to Nixon's resignation in disgrace after his reelection, and I am desperately hoping for something like that.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 10:51 AM
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8. hell that one lady he kissed
smack on the lips...creepy . if you or i did that to anyone who disliked liked it we be up on charges. as for condi-she loves it..kind`a like her acceptance into the klan. she`s in love with his power that is why she`s his slave
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slor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 10:51 AM
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9. I think pickles...
knows they are fucking, and has increased her Stepford dosages accordingly.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 10:52 AM
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10. The most improper decorum for a political appointment
I was aghast that an appointment of such stature should be reduced to a level where the presumed POTUS actually kisses someone. Did you see the look on Condi's face? She closed her eyes like she was in some sort of ecstasy? Well, she probably was in ecstasy that all her hard work of bowing and scraping had paid off, but still ...

And then he kissed the new Secretary of Education, too.

It reeks of a banana republic, of a monarchy, of something far, far below the level of human dignity which should be embodied in matters of state. People are definitely talking about it. No one has said a word about the racial difference. It's the chumminess that's giving everyone the creeps. How can she possibly be impartial and objective in her job, given the obvious fact she is in love with her boss?
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greenbriar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 10:57 AM
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14. Anyone else would have a sexual harrassment suit
slapped against them
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 11:00 AM
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16. And that's yet another reason she shouldn's be SoS.
Edited on Sat Nov-20-04 11:01 AM by ocelot
What kind of wack job would fall in love with the knuckle-dragging cretin we have the misfortune to have as our president (sort of - he ain't MY president)? Anybody who could get the hots for that mutant should be fitted for one of those white suits with the long sleeves that tie in the back.
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livinginphotographs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 11:13 AM
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20. I hear he's getting fitted for a giant pimp ring...
and kissing it is set to replace the loyalty oaths.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 10:59 AM
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15. Men just don't kiss women who work

"under" them.

Unless, perhaps, the women really DO work under them.

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marew Donating Member (854 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 11:04 AM
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17. Couldn't agree more.
The next four years are going to be hell with * wanting to spend his political "capital". He is surrounding himself with * butt kissers. There is going to be much more "if you're not with us, you're an unAmerican traitor". His megalomania is getting worse by the minute. I mean his god, not anybody else's God, has told him to spread freedom, (the * version) around the world. I have no doubt that history will see this president as a complete jerk someday, a very dark spot in American history. The problem is going to be how much damage he does to the country and the world in the mean time. What a frigging nightmare this creep is. Arrogance is putting it mildly!
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 11:10 AM
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19. Inappropriate
Completely, absolutely, entirely, utterly inapproriate. I've had a woman for a boss. It is simply bizarre for me to imagine that it might have been perceived by anyone as appropriate for her to kiss me. But, indeed, we live in bizzarro world now.
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JaneEyrez Donating Member (168 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 12:09 PM
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21. I would have dismissed comments about Rice and Bush...
as being just ugly and angry commentary because we all dislike them so much, had I not chanced upon an interesting tidbit about a woman of color (just guess which color) who accused Bush of raping her and was subsequently found dead (suicide THEY said). Here's a link:

http://www.thoughtcrimenews.com/bushrape.htm

It would be way ironic if it turned out that BU$H had uglier sexual tendencies than poor Clinton did. People tend to forget that although it isn't defensible that Clinton had intimate contact with Lewinsky, among others, Lewinsky had made plans before she went to Washington to blow the President. She made a comment to friends about packing her Presidential knee pads. Like a lot of young women she obviously had a misunderstanding of where exactly that puts you in relation to the person you're on your knees to, but I digress.

Anyway, could it be that our Fearless Fuckup actually is either flirting with these women or actually doing them? (shudder)

I've always said: I like everything about Laura Bush, but her taste in men. Maybe by the time BU$H showed up she was getting a tad anxious about being an old maid, eh?
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