An couple important lessons from 2004 we need to learn

Lesson number one, we can't make electability the sole issue in the primaries. It is impossible to guess months before an election what the public is going to be looking for. For all the talk of electoral disaster given nominating certain candidates, we went for the most electable candidate and we still had the disaster. We lost all five Senate races in the South, we lost Dashle's seat in South Dakota, we lost to a loon in Kentucky, we lost to the personification of nepotism run amok in Alaska. It is hard to imagine doing worse.

Lesson number two, we need to be a real opposition party. We can't allow Bush to have sucesses. Look at the Republicans in the 1990's. They were utter obstructionists and paid no price at all for it.

I have no idea if Dean would have won or not. But, I do know that unless we stand for something as a party other than winning races, then we won't win races. It is that simple.

We need to have a strong voice telling it like it is-pointing out the inhumanity of Bush policies.

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BTW your tag line has a grammatical error in it. The line should read what's not whats. It might be nice is you tried following your own advice.

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to get pissy...

There is a very obvious typo in the last sentence of your reponse.....and the word is avAtar.


Well, that said, I do think electability matters.....which is why Hillary-08 would be a disaster..even tho i think she'd make great President.

and that is the photo, the line of text is a signature line. I am sorry I over reacted but an honest suggestion of help could have been mailed to me not put in public to embarass. It generally hasn't been cool to criticise the spelling and grammar of the posters.

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I cannot believe this attitude. "Hey its ok to lose as long as you stand for something." If that is your attitude then vote green. But forcing the Dems to be permanent losers because you have immovable stance is bs. Angry Dean imploded in the primaries. He would have imploded in the general election.

Just how much worse could Dean have lost? Kerry lost every state in the South and all but three by double digits. Kerry lost every state in the plains and again by double digits. Dean couldn't lose Oklahoma twice.

Like we need another liberal from the east coast. Dean is the ultimate loser plan.

Help the greens if you only care about principles but stop dragging down the Dems with dean.

"I voted for the 87 billion before I voted against it" "Anyone who thinks that Iraq isn't better off without Saddam isn't fit to be President." I could go on but won't until you site the date, time, and place where Dean said these, both of which Kerry said.

Wasn't Dean campaigning full tilt for Kerry? Wasn't he supposed to be the key to youth vote? Isn't that the demographic that stayed home?

which is the only demographic he did win. Also it should be noted that the percentage of the youth vote in 2000 and 2004 were the same which means more youth voted since more people voted.

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Did calling names feel good? I hope it did.

Therefore we don't have a list of stupid shit he said. And anyone who doesn't think Iraq is better off without Saddam, isn't fit to be President. Only George Bush could remove a dictator like Saddam and fuck up Iraq so badly that the country is actually worse off. But that's the fault of George Bush, not because Saddam was better for the country.

is Iraq better off or not? Nope it is not. But don't try to understand why, just parrot one of Kerry's most idiotic statements. Saddam was better for the country than what is going on now. He kept the religious fundamentalists and the terrorists at bay. Thousands of people who are now dead would still be living under Saddams rule. I wonder if their wounded and scared loved ones think they are better off. In fact I don't wonder, because I have seen interviews where they say they are worse off. Imagine that..they just want to live and have a roof over their heads and maybe a job, food to eat, electricity. They had that before we invaded.

If we wanted to remove Saddam we could have done it without and invasion and occupation. But Kerry wasn't defending removing Saddam, he was defending the war. He was wrong. Dean was right.

He was expressing pleasure that Saddam had been caught, that's it, that's all. The Iraqis, the region, the world, are better off without Saddam. It doesn't follow that a war based on lies was the only way to remove him and Kerry has said that so many times it's pointless to repeat it.

Thousands of people are dead because Bush is an idiot and doesn't have any idea how to nation build.

Maybe if Democrats would have said what Kerry really said about this war, people wouldn't have gotten the idea that he'd changed his position.

and Dean's Anti (this) war position. That is the truth and you can try to rewrite history but it won't work.

I'm not going through this again. Dean people can live in whatever delusional land they choose.

It's been over two weeks since the election. At what point should a candidate concede if no evidence of fraud or a stolen election is found? There's NO evidence. Would it be worth a civil war to you? Would it be worth having the Democratic Party be destroyed? What if he'd caused all that havoc and nothing was ever found? Then what?

janx posted that he used to be member of the dlc. Is that true?

That is not what dsc said at all.

Ummm, primaries are all about electablity. If I am to ignore electablity, why not just vote green who matches my convictions.

There is a difference between ignoring electability and making electability the only criteria. If a teacher gives a grade based 60% on tests and 40% on daily work, is he or she ignoring daily work?

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wake up.

don't let the robbers get away with it.

they really didn't pay a price did they? Want to bet only a few of us learned that lesson?

UNREAL DEBATE .... GOING TO GET BETTER AND BETTER TODAY

your bottom dollar that dem voter will get squeamish and go with the "safe" candidates and lose again.