Finally talked to my mom...she voted for Bush

:(

I just can't believe it. I really and truly cannot fucking believe it.

It doesn't really matter, she is from a solid red state (Georgia), but it would have been a MAJOR personal victory for me. I just look back on all the conversations we had, where I point-by-point refuted every single thing she had been spoon-fed by Faux.

I am so depressed. She is a smart lady, just misled. I thought I had been able to talk some sense in to her.

I asked her why, and she said that she felt she just couldn't trust Kerry. I was like, but you trusted BUSH? She pretty much said, better the devil you know.

Un-fucking-real.

I told her to brace herself, because things are going to get real fucking bad. She expressed surprise at how he was talking mandate so soon after a close election, and I said, oh, you just wait.


Damn.

:(

A mistake that big can be forgiven, but not forgotten.

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family always comes first. That should be the democratic party motto

us into this ugliness in America. We have forgotten how to care about others.

Maybe she'll be so embarrassed she'll avoid talking to you at all. That will show her.

She's 86, and is quite aware what is probably going to happen. That's why, for the first time in her life, she has given her children money and told us to spend it rather than save it. She's sure the economy is going down.

things really getting bad, and I mean REAL BAD, for people to realize what they voted for

I am sorry, but I concluded that.

My Dad voted for Nixon AND Bush!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
God help us all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cherie - 12 posts - welcome to DU!!

B/t Nixon and Bush... lots and lots of criminal behavior, and some repeat offenders still on the job, and getting worse! They've haunted our lives these greedy warmongers.

Mine are both reactionary idiots.

stupid, ignorant or so gullible maybe you should get power of attorney.

Oh well. Maybe she cooks good.

I'll give em some time to see the errors of their vote!

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that's why when family members vote *in direct opposition of your entire family's safety, livelihood, hope, and happiness* you definitely have to re-evaluate how you want to deal with such a person.

threats can be *foreign or domestic*, same with families as with nations. *nothing on god's green earth is 100% defendable in all situations*. i'm sick of these canards: "can't question my president in a time of war," "my country, right or wrong," "family harmony even in the face of doing the wrong thing." i call bullshit, straight up, unadulterated bullshit. you wouldn't house an axe murderer be he blood or not, you wouldn't house an abuser be he blood or not. why? because everything has a drawn line. this time this line is about the very safety of all that you love and care about, and everything everyone you know love and care about. it doesn't get much bigger than that. period.

both of them voted for Bush, always voted repub. I tried like hell to convince them to vote for Kerry, but they are set in their ways and don't like change. They are in their 70's and have had a really good life, and I've tried to explain things to them and they still don't get it.;(

for bush* have guaranteed that ours are not going to be anything even close.

Yeah, my Mom voted for him too. She's been very sick lately, in fact she was in the hospital again from last Saturday morning until Thursday. If she was in good health, I wouldn't even speak to her. But since we pretty much give he a year, two at the most, that's not even a consideration. But I do give her a good pounding over it every now and then, thank her for the future she doomed my son, grandson, etc. to.

That's pretty cold I suppose and I shouldn't do it but this is just the one thing that I just can't get over.

by voting for the absolute worst possible leaders in our most vulnerable time. do not feel sorry, you have nothing to apologize for. she does.

there is a right, there is a wrong. she must have been of sound mind and chose wrong -- in the most important decision there ever could have been. handing the keys of power of the most powerful lynchpin country in the world to a false messiah leading a death cult is just about as high on the wrong scale as i can get. be not afraid, truth and right is on your side.

"I just don't like Kerry." Why don't you like him? "I just don't." So, do you like Bush? "I don't agree with some of the things he's done, but he just seems better than Kerry."

Divided country? How about divided families. I can't get over it.

allowed to vote

But you might end up doing just that. I said it to my family years ago when Nixon was finally proved to be a crook -- after I'd insisted for months that he was. Unfortunately, my parents have remained Republican to this day.

downfall, not Nixon himself.

I've been at odds with my Dad for decades, since his fondness for Nixon. It's like he doesn't hear what I'm saying if it's criticism of a Republican - just won't believe me. It's like a football team to him. I get "We're all entitled to our opinion," or just "shut up about it."

My Mom, sweet and kind and smart in most things - I always used to be able to reason with her - but this election, no way could I break through. Dad and I didn't speak for several weeks, and it's still uncomfortable. They're elderly, and my sisters tell me they can't grasp it, but I've wanted to give them credit for being able to reason it out. I just don't want to fight with them, and I had to just let it go. They don't take me seriously, but I love them.

that he doesn't want to talk politics with you.

Respect his wishes.

Once he's clearly told you he doesn't want to discuss it and you keep bringing it up, you are being obnoxious in my opinion.

and says things it's hard to let pass, like "You know, Kerry lied about his war medals." I try to leave the room, before it gets to the point that I leave the house in anger. It's not so simple as "just don't talk about it." Our lives and our country are changing as a result of the Bush admin.

quietly and politely say "prove it" and then let them try. And when they can't, ask them why they can't. Maybe then, if they have to make the effort to find the facts and realize that there are NO facts to back up their claims, they might start waking up. You never know and you can always hope.

but you can't choose your family. Isn't that they way the old saying goes? As to choosing your friends, I've decided to be civil to all of my neighbors who voted for Bush, but I am not interested in friendship with them. I think friendship should be on the basis of mutual interest and beliefs and I have nothing in common with somebody who supports BU$H. May be harsh, but I don't care.

when families choose to disown those who interracially marry, we sit back and give a pass. can't choose family, we say.

when families choose to disown those who are born LGBT, we sit back and give a pass. can't choose family, we say.

when families choose to disown those who fell into hard times and get wounded by the traps of poverty: addiction, teen pregnancy, petty misdemeanors, etc. we sit back and give a pass. can't choose family, we say.

when families now choose to award a false messiah leading a death cult the most powerful nation on earth running full bore on the path of planetary destruction, are we to sit back and give a pass -- again? can't choose family? bullshit, i say.

i know where my lines are. i know who cares about me. it's time for some people to do real soul searching and figure out the same.

Guess I wasn't as clear as I meant to be. What I meant by that quote was that SINCE you can't choose your family, you CAN CHOOSE not to associate with them. That's what I've done. I don't communicate with people in my family that are wingnuts. Makes me a lot happier. Then I CHOOSE friends who feel like family.

Hope that cleared up what I meant!

it was a little less obvious to read into, but you are right, deep in there your view is there. normally i'd read it pretty clear, but i think i'm just now going through the anger phase of grief full bore. i guess i'm slower than others in the process.

bit your head off a bit there, sorry. :hug: just getting tired of apologists lately.

but it is good you are talking to your mom even if you totally disagree on Bush. I am a mom and granny. My mom is a democrat and so am I. I am a chip off the old block. Our family is split politically just like everyone else's. My sister is having a very hard time financially and is uninsured...but voted for Bush! My brother and his wife are anti-abortion and anti-gay rights. He says Democrats are immoral...this coming from someone who is on his 5th marriage and they voted for Bush! I am not looking forward to the holidays because I will not sit by, nor will my mom, and take any crap from any of them. May be war at our house come Christmas....

there will no doubt be some serious intra-family political arguments going on next week.

i, like so many others, cannot even think about approaching the subject of politics with my parents. it's a no win situation. they are incapable of reasoning things out. when you prove them wrong, they gloss over it and move on to their next talking point. just like the media whores. i just don't get it. luckily, i've got a series of movies lined up for next week. we can talk about movies instead.

when I'm in the room. No talk of politics, less a reunion be spoiled.

Fahrenheit 9-11
Bush's Brain
Outfoxed
You get the idea. :evilgrin:

I dare you to do it. I wanna be a fly on the wall when MM's face shows up for the first time in the movie. lol. I'm so bad. :)

Then when your adopted parents do something stupid, it's even easier to distance yourself.

switched parties this year and voted Kerry. :bounce:


I know my birth parents. I've never discussed politics with either one of them. (They aren't married to each other.) I would guess that my birth father is a repuke. And my birth mom, heck, she could actually surprise me and be a Dem, but I'd guess it's more likely she's a repuke who pays no attention to politics at all.

I just thought of something. Imagine if they all wanted to discuss politics. YIKES! I'd be even more :crazy: than I am now.

I am so depressed. She is a smart lady, just misled. I thought I had been able to talk some sense in to her.

It's disgraceful that they will believe propaganda over someone from their own family. Someone, presumably, who has some credibility. No, they'll go for a known liar before they'll believe their very own daughter/son.

In my family, I'm known as the one to ask about all types of things. If they don't know something and they want to find out, who do they call? Me. I'm good for all kinds of answers from technical issues to who manufactures what product on through the quirks of the English language. But will they listen to me about politics? No.

This week my mom sent me some news articles that appeared in her local paper. I have to say, even I was appalled. It is nothing but sheer hatred and lies. And this is from a regular daily in a town of about 40,000.

I don't excuse my mother for her beliefs because the media has been taken over. She can get on the Internet and read just like anyone else. They're not curious and they don't care to find out anything that doesn't support their preexisting views.

My parents would have voted for bush but my brother the Dem pulled the distributor caps on their cars.


Cher

and p.s. I write to my mother but we're not talking now because conversations end up arguments. Thanks, bush. Thanks for dividing families and killing friendships.

There have been a lot of great replies up there, but yours got me right here:

"No, they'll go for a known liar before they'll believe their very own daughter/son."

I was trying to think of why this is so upsetting to me, and there it is. Not an easy thing to accept, but there it is, spelled out.

Wow.

:(

Oh, and tell your brother his election day activities got a hearty laugh here at my house! :thumbsup::thumbsup:

Vickers

:yourock:

Unitarian and turned me on to the New Republic when it was really liberal is an avowed Chimp lover. And she was a HISTORY teacher, too!! Every time I point out some crap he's doing she just refuses to acknowledge it.
I chalk it up to old age, but it's something else. Meaness, getting even for something, wanting people to suffer becaue she had a tough life...but a lot more people have had it tougher.

I just can't stand being in the same house with her most of the time.

even vote. I'm pretty sure my dad would vote Dem (almost 100% sure) and I am sure my stepdad would vote Dem (he raised me to be a liberal) but I have no idea on my mother or stepmother. They just can't be bothered with voting, apparently.

In a way, I'm sort of glad they don't vote and I don't know.

So sorry!

Corporal Cueball made a statement after the election. He said, "this country is in for the civics lesson of it's life.

A lot of people will be screaming like banshees, wailing, "I didn't vote for this!" Sorry assholes, you get the whole package.

My family and I are no longer speaking because of this election (they all voted for Chim). I have told them that they're aiding and abetting criminals by supporting this regime and I want no more to do with them. I can't compartmentalize my ideals anymore so I've cut the strings.

I understand how painful this is and I'm sorry.

Go to DU and Late Breaking News and just start reading the posts to her. Let her see what her vote for * has already done. It will scare the crap out of her. I'm starting to think the only way to get the actual NEWS into the heads of these people is to pound it into them by way of the monitor. :argh: And I'm not picking on your Mom. I've got an Aunt....let's just say I feel like :nuke: when anything comes out of her email to mine.

I know that it literally hurts to have some you love show such bad judgement. I think you could use a :hug: