DFA 2004 ELECTION RESULTS

http://democracyforamerica.com/dd_returns.php


At the local and state level, Democracy for America and Gov. Howard Dean have reason to celebrate this year's election results. Many DFA-endorsed Dean Dozen and DFA-supported candidates won elections at all levels of government, throughout the country.

• One of the two new Democratic United States senators was a "Dean Dozen" candidate--Barack Obama (D-Ill.). Obama and the other new Democratic senator, Ken Salazar (D-Colo.), received contributions from DFA.

• One "Dean Dozen" candidate won her race for Congress, Allyson Schwartz (D-PA) and DFA contributed to five of the fourteen incoming freshman Democratic Members of Congress.

• Some of the notable non-federal success stories include:

• Both of the new Democratic governors are "Dean Dozen" candidates: John Lynch (D-NH) and Brian Schweitzer (D-Mont.)

• Two "Dean Dozen" candidates won their mayoral race: Peter Corroon was elected as mayor of Salt Lake County, Utah and Tom Potter was elected as mayor of Portland, Ore.

• Democracy for America contributed more than $600,000 to 634 candidates for non-federal office. 319 of those candidates won--a 50% win-loss record.

• "Dean Dozen" candidates were elected to state legislatures in 16 states. Candidates for legislature who received Democracy for America contributions, but were not part of the "Dean Dozen," were elected in an additional 12 states.

• Democracy for America played a large role in regaining several legislative chambers for the Democrats, including: the Colorado House and Senate, the North Carolina House, the Oregon Senate, the Vermont House and the Washington Senate. DFA also helped secure a tie in the Iowa Senate.

• "Dean Dozen" candidates were elected to the bench in Alabama and Georgia.

• "Dean Dozen" candidates also won races for soil & water commission, supervisor of elections, township clerk, county commission and constable.

Governor Dean commented on the election results:

"The Dean Dozen candidates and the hundreds of other candidates that Democracy for America supported are the future of the Democratic Party. Win or lose, these fiscally responsible, socially progressive citizens fought to take our country back and helped spread the message that to change America, Democrats must compete everywhere, including the red states."

Throughout the months leading up to the election, Governor Dean attended press conferences, fundraisers and campaign rallies, to help spread the DFA message and raise campaign funds for 50 candidates in 26 states. Many of you--our supporters--volunteered and financially supported these candidates as well and your actions were invaluable.

DFA has raised over $5 million since we became an organization in March 2004. We have donated money to 748 candidates throughout the country--in 46 states and at every level of government. We believe that Democrats will return to national prominence very soon. DFA will continue to endorse and support candidates and train campaign workers and volunteers in 2005 and beyond.

I have a link on the right-side of:
http://moveleft.com

And is doing. Wonderful record too.

Thanks for sharing this, mad. Does my heart good (and it needed that tonight).

And of course, the idjits at the top of the establishment party don't want him as DNC chair. Sweet irony.

and any first time candidates they contributed to.

;-)

But in order for it to work to its fullest, more people have to learn about it.

And in a very republican town. we also defeated the incumbant #2 republican in the CT State Senate with a newcomer (Meyer). Not sure if he was Dean dozen but he'll be a great senator. It's the only thing that kept me from puking on 11/3.

And more than ever local politics are important. Great article in the NYT today about how environmentl issues did extremely well in State elections. If the federal government is going to hell, the state laws are where we will need to concentrate until we can turn things around nationally.

every candidate that DFA supported is listed, but all of the Dean Dozen are.

Or you can search the site for names of local candidates. DFA contributed to well over 600 of them all over the country.

Not all of them made it by any means, but many of them did. And many of those who didn't will run again--with lots of new faces, minds and hearts, *backed initially by their local constituents*, entering the fray.

Any potential candidate at any level, who is fiscally responsible and socially sane, should at least apply for help from DFA.

Dozen to receive help and funds. That was probably the best part. I'm happy to hear what happened in Connecticut.

You might search the site to see if Meyer received any funds from DFA. If not, encourage him to apply next time he runs!

Open Secrets shows all of them, but is often not up to date. I tried the FEC page and there are a lot. Someone posted at the blog once about the others.

For the places he could not get to in person, smaller local races, he did telephone interviews with local papers. I know he did with some school board and road board in TN.

Some folks I knew from the Dean campaign were working on his. He has a great background and will make a difference.

The real change may well indeed start when we move progressive policies from local to state to the National level. We haven't had much success lately trying to institute change from the top down.

Clinton wasn't as effective as he could have been if he had more support in congress, etc.

That's why I love what dean has done. He's gotten people (like me) motivated to get involved.

and working towards the top, that is why DFA put so much time and money towards non-federal campaigns.

the democratic wing of the Democratic party. He wasn't just echoing Wellstone; it was more than that. He was actually serious. ;-)

but I think Dean is up for it. Dean has correctlty realized that the only way for the party to regain power from the cohorts at the DLC is by creating an organization that may eventually challenge them as the "Leaderhsip Council" they claim to be.

We can only hope that the DLC's influence will diminish over time, because of DFA.

:)

DFA group. I can't now remember who that was, but he was ahead of me with the information.

Think of what will happen when more people find out about this and when the organization has *four times* the amount of time it did before this past election!

Allyson Schwartz -- DLC member.

Ken Salazar -- DLC member.

Brian Schweitzer -- Conservative Democrat who ran with a Republican, anti-choice running mate.


I could go on and on about this list of DFA's "successes." Every single one of these people I looked at who won in conservative districts had conservative-friendly positions. But the old Deanite mantra was, "Given a choice between a fake Republican and a real Republican, the people will choose the real Republican every time."

The real Deanite mantra is, if Howard said it yesterday, it was true yesterday; if he said it today, it's true today. But it isn't a personality cult. Never that.


By the way, I'm happy to see DFA is more pragmatic than the rhetoric its members used to spew, but the unctuous hypocrisy is sickening.

So was Cap'n Sunshine, and he very well may still be a member.

What's your point (other than to raise hackles, that is)?

BB, you don't have to back Dean for president to get behind this idea. That's not what it's about. I'm glad you at least see how practical it is. And it's working. Do you know anyone in your area who plans to run for office in 2006?

DFA is little more than the DLC on a very small scale. It sends money to the same candidates and types of candidates the DLC does (a lot less money), and stands for nothing except winning, just as the DLC does. The only difference is one is headed by Al From and raises millions from corporations; the other is led by Howard Dean and raises hundreds of thousands from, and capitalizes on the volunteer efforts of, people like you.

It isn't "reform" to replace Al From with Howard Dean, when the two men support the same policies and types of candidates. It's just shuffling Tweedledee in the front door while Tweedledum walks out the back.

I certainly see your point, but the main difference is that the DLC has become, basically, a federal entity based out of D.C..

There are too few people in it now with too much power. It has become ridiculous. Some of the online newsletter material I see really makes me want to retch. It consists of the "leaders" telling the "followers" what to do. That's not democracy.

DFA is putting the emphasis back in the states and communities, where it belongs.

The last time I called there, I asked how many were in the offices which they share with the PPI. The secretary said 40 people. But they do have power. They gave Kerry a minimum of 15 million, not sure how much more.

No, DFA is NOT like that. It is bottom up, with as Dean put it, just a minor amount of suggestions from the top.

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Here is a link to their site's About Us. Top right is a button to the DLC site. It all sounds good, their progressive internationalism, the words are good. I have trouble really figuring just how much right they think we have to the world. It sounds like they think we have a right, but they don't appear to want force especially.
http://www.ppionline.org/ppi_ci.cfm?knlgAreaID=87&subsecID=205&contentID=895

The Democratic Leadership Council, and its affiliated think tank the Progressive Policy Institute, have been catalysts for modernizing politics and government. From their political analysis and policy innovations has emerged a progressive alternative to the worn-out dogmas of traditional liberalism and conservatism. The core principles and ideas of this "Third Way" movement are set forth in The New Progressive Declaration: A Political Philosophy for the Information Age.

Starting with Bill Clinton's Presidential campaign in 1992, Third Way thinking is reshaping progressive politics throughout the world. Inspired by the example of Clinton and the New Democrats, Tony Blair in Britain led a revitalized New Labour party back to power in 1997. The victory of Gerhard Shroeder and the Social Democrats in Germany the next year confirmed the revival of center-left parties which either control or are part of the governing coalition forming throughout the European Union. From Latin America to Australia and New Zealand, Third Way ideas also are taking hold.

On Sunday, April 25, 1999, the President Clinton and the DLC hosted a historic roundtable discussion, The Third Way: Progressive Governance for the 21st Century, with five world leaders including British PM Tony Blair, German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder, Dutch PM Wim Kok, and Italian PM Massimo D'Alema, the First Lady Hillary Rodham Clinton and DLC President Al From.

The Third Way philosophy seeks to adapt enduring progressive values to the new challenges of he information age. It rests on three cornerstones: the idea that government should promote equal opportunity for all while granting special privilege for none; an ethic of mutual responsibility that equally rejects the politics of entitlement and the politics of social abandonment; and, a new approach to governing that empowers citizens to act for themselves."

Please read the last bolded part carefully. Read between the lines. No entitlement, no abandonment, empower the citizens. I believe this includes privatization of Social Security and Medicare. I believe it means not standing up for minorities who might get in the way of getting along. I may be wrong.

only kinder and gentler invasion and occupation. Kerry signed on to the idea early on to cement his support from the DLC.

any organization makes me want to retch. The fact that the DLC acts as a mouthpiece for AIPAC makes me want to retch. But I'm not going to pretend that, because of that one problem, the entire organization is worthless.

And I don't see all this "power" the DLC has. I read their stuff, from NewDonkey, NDOL, and NDN, and generally find their arguments to be well thought out and pragmatic. Is their ability to make sense, and to make consistent and persuasive arguments (an ability that has thus far escaped Dean), somehow a sign of too much power? I think you are mistaking the wave for the wind, so to speak.

to me, and those arguments weren't consistent. They were more like edicts or pronouncements.

is an idiot, but there are good people in the DLC as well. PPI puts out some good policy ideas and some bad ones.

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Is he now?

However, I doubt very seriously they would welcome him back with open arms. He has questioned their leadership much too soundly. They are the ones who made him out to be a fringe lefty anti-war nutcase, like his followers.
He governed VT as a fighter for what he thought, and he fought progressives and Democrats as well as Republicans.
The DLC decided he was not suitable for their tastes, and down he went in Iowa.

I really think so.

You really come off that way.

I don't anymore. You have come across as thinking those of us who support Dean are very leftist. I have tried to say differently, but it does not matter.

If you want politeness, you have to be that way as well.

Actually I consider myself very leftest, as I wanted to vote green. I just believe that the winning strategy is somewhere in-between. The country moved right with Reagan. Clinton found the formula. Gore and Kerry didn't have it. Some say screw the middle, run a candidate who is totally progressive. I just don't think that plan is a winner.

If I said things like that, I would get in trouble here. Unbelievable.

You've been in trouble? What do they do, block your account or something?

During the primaries many Dean supporters were banned forever. A few of us managed to stay. But that is looking back,and serves no purpose.

Do you think the DLC runs DU?

I've seen plenty of vulgarity, sacrilege, and personal attacks. I didn't think they banned anyone accept freepers.

I sense a certain level of thinking and realize I am fighting a losing battle.

Backing off.

;-)

This was working for Gore until the media killed him over the first debate and then he changed his persona again.

It worked for Clinton too. HE ran on making sure that those who work hard and play by the rules stop falling behind. Populism is the answer to winning back some of the socially conservative voters. We need to run against the powerful people that are screwing most Americans whether they are in government or board rooms.

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throwing rocks in Seattle.

I thought it was the best strategy.

Hi Janx, good to see you.

Woops, there it is! <---- who does that remind you off?

;-)

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the liberals hated him. That's fine. He was a very good governor and did some important things. But he's not really a liberal despite his positioning in the primary and perception. OF course, its way too late to change that perception.

I think he had some real awakenings on the campaign trail. You need to read his book.

Most of us who supported him are not very liberal either. That is the doing of the Democratic party. They are the ones who labelled him and the media took it up.

That's what makes him more valuable.

think I hate Dean. I don't. My wife was head of UVM College Dems when he was Governor. I like him a lot. I just don't think he's our only leader in the Party and I don't think he's the right nominee for the Party. I love the work he's doing in DFA. The more groups trying to elect Democrats the better.

I have some buddies from Middlebury, and I happen to admire Dean, and I think that they do, too, although they were divided by party when they first moved to Montana. It matters more to me that DFA succeeds, but I'd love to have an old fashioned populist president, too.

It's funny; there's a Vermont/Montana connection concerning these friends of mine. I'm happy that the governor's election went the way that it did. It was PERFECT.

you don't think that about me. I agree with a movement towards populism. I think Dean was a very good governor. It saddens me that during the campaign he never got around to talking about health care.

I agree its very important that DFA succeeds. Its so important that Democrats are elected at the lower levels. Its how we build the party

I care about the country, the United States and the people who live here.

because the Democratic Party has been the vehicle for many great things in the past 70 years. Electing good Dems at all levels will only help the country.

The party had a chance to do some good things, but they chose to give in on everything.

We lost this election, but we were fighting for many important things. We did not choose to give up on everything. Kerry was trying to roll back the tax cut on the rich, move towards universal health care, increase access to higher education, stop outsourcing, improve our reputation around the word, protect a woman's right to choose, protect civil liberties and opposed writing hate into the constitution. I am proud of what we were fighting for.

I am talking about the lack of a party system that stands up for what is right.

The last few weeks Kerry was even using Dean's words. He was invoking his message. If he continues, great.

I don't think party much anymore.

as our candidate, was the leader of our party. The Party is made up of the people in our party.

He is both liberal on social issues and fiscally responsible. He never "positioned" himself any other way. If you can't get the distinctions that is your problem of perception.

Do you really think DFA members don't know why he is? That's just silly.

Progressive were furious that he chose to put a lot of money into the rainy day fun instead of spending money on programs to help people. He maintained the Budget of Governor Snelling. Liberals Dems and Progressives couldn't stand him back then.

only some liberals didn't like him. Most of them were won over. Maybe you missed where he won the VT primary by getting 60 percent of the vote.

I am perfectly aware of who Howard Dean is. I haven't met any of his supporters who are misinformed about him. I can't imagine why you keep pretending we are.

But I know what the attitude was when I lived there. His result in the primary is a favorite son result.

Though ... liberals in Vermont backed his Presidential candidacy in droves so I guess he weren't all that bad.

:shrug:

I am pro-choice, and as Governor, I will uphold the Supreme Court’s ruling that protects a woman’s right to choose and make private healthcare decisions with her doctor. Because of my support of women’s reproductive rights, my candidacy has been endorsed by Montana NARAL.


http://www.brianschweitzer.com/issues.html

My original post had a typing error in it.

But I do like very much the following from the campaign web site. It's very Montana (a place I like very much). It has a lot of local language and concerns included...!

Schweitzer says political bickering has gotten in the way of needed changes in our state government. Schweitzer, a Democrat, has chosen John Bohlinger, a Republican, as his running mate and together they will work to get things done in Montana by building bridges across party lines.
Schweitzer will invest in ethanol plants in Montana, increasing the market for our grain, creating thousands of good paying jobs, adding millions of dollars to the state economy and helping make our government more independent of Middle East oil.
Schweitzer will bring basic business sense - and common sense - to state government so that it will be run like a business for the benefit of the taxpayers, not special interests and lobbyists.
Schweitzer can be more independent because he's refused to take money from big corporations, like drug companies and insurance companies that overcharge us for healthcare and prescriptions and energy companies that dramatically increase electricity rates on working families.
For too long, party politics have divided Montana. Instead of working together to build a brighter future for our state, the politicians in Helena have gotten bogged down with bickering and finger pointing. That's been the story in Helena for too long, and Montana has paid the price of missed opportunities and broken promises. Brian Schweitzer and John Bohlinger are different. Brian's a Democrat and John is a Republican. Together, the Schweitzer-Bohlinger team will reach across party lines to get Montana moving again. They'll put government back to work for the people of Montana, not the political parties.
Businessmen, not bureaucrats, understand the value of a dollar. Brian Schweitzer and John Bohlinger are both lifelong businessmen. Brian made his living as a farmer and rancher in Whitefish, while John ran a successful clothing store in Billings. Together they offer over 60 years of combined small business experience. As businessmen, Brian and John know what it takes to create jobs and grow our economy. As Governor and Lieutenant Governor, they'll use their experience to challenge every expense, get government spending under control, and help put Montana back on track. Tremendous economic opportunities are waiting across the state, and it will take a team with business sense - not another career politician - to fulfill the promise of Montana.

http://www.billingsgazette.com/index.php?id=1&display=rednews/2004/05/04/build/state/55-bohlinger-likes-dems.inc

Bohlinger, a self-described "pro-life Catholic" who opposes abortion, said he does not agree with the party's blanket opposition to "restrictive legislation or governmental intervention into women's decisions regarding reproduction and childbirth."


Now, however much you like the blurb you posted -- and Schweitzer is, in retrospect, probably my favorite candidate to run in 2004 -- think about what would happen if someone not endorsed by Dean picked a Republican as a running mate. Remember the furor that erupted here when word leaked that Kerry was talking to McCain about the VP slot? I bet you some of the people posting in this thread, trying to claim credit for the successes of these candidates, were posting in those threads savaging Kerry for his treason. But Dean speaks, and black becomes white, day turns to night, and the meaning of the stolen phrase, "I'm from the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party" means exactly what it always did: nothing at all. It was a sham, a slogan designed to appeal to simple, angry minds. To Dean's credit, it worked.

with government. He sounds like a libertarian type or moderate Republican to me.

YES--I agree with you that some on this board would have a knee-jerk opposition to any Dem running with a Republican. I'm not one of those. And it makes sense that given the political landscape of Montana, this kind of thing would work.

Remember one thing: DFA wants candidates who are fiscally responsible and socially sane.

It seems to me that DFA got that in Montana. From the people I know in Montana, this arrangement will work very well. It's progress.

And I agree with you *so much* about Schweitzer and appreciate your comment. Speaking of western politics, I saw the funniest thing on CSPAN a couple of years (?) ago. Conrad Burns (R)from Idaho was debating his Dem rival, and all of a sudden, one of them said something like "How can you say this? How can you talk to me this way? We sat outside on my deck, and you had beer from my refrigerator, and we were sitting on the deck and talking, so how can you say this now?"

Several months ago I was in Idaho and passed Conrad's office. I just noticed it out of a window of a car. I love western politics--I was in Missoula, but I could have been in Billings, Montana by the look and culture of things.

Cracked me up. I wish I had a tape so that I could remember how it actually went!

It's written confusingly, but Bohlinger is stating his disagreement with the Democrats' opposition to laws restricting abortion -- not a libertarian position at all.

confusing when taken out of context. Hell, it's confusing *in* context, but here it is (from the paper):

Bohlinger, of Billings, told the Great Falls Tribune that the two major areas where he disagrees with the Democratic platform are on abortion and a state sales tax.

Bohlinger, who earlier said he has no plans to drop his GOP affiliation if he and Schweitzer are elected, agreed to go through the Democratic Party's platform.


The platform, adopted every two years, outlines party principles on a broad range of subjects.

In all but a few instances, Bohlinger said he endorses the Democratic platform

He opposes so-called "right to work" legislation, which makes it more difficult for unions to organize and supports the principle of "progressive taxation," meaning those who earn more money should pay a higher rate of taxes.

"The more one makes, the greater they should provide for the functions of government," Bohlinger told the Tribune.

He also said he believes gays and lesbians should have explicit, legal protection against discrimination and supports "reproductive and family planning education" and "the right to die with dignity."

Bohlinger said he believes the state needs to greatly increase its share of funding for public schools and supports the party's strong stand on environmental issues.

He also opposes dipping into the coal tax trust fund for government expenditures.

Bohlinger, a self-described "pro-life Catholic" who opposes abortion, said he does not agree with the party's blanket opposition to "restrictive legislation or governmental intervention into women's decisions regarding reproduction and childbirth."

During his legislative career, Bohlinger voted for a number of measures that would restrict or possibly outlaw abortion. But he also voted against a bill 10 years ago requiring minors to get "parental consent" before having an abortion.

Bohlinger said that while he opposes abortion, there is little he could do politically as a state senator or lieutenant governor to make it illegal.

"The U.S. Supreme Court has said abortion is legal, in spite of our personal thoughts," he said. "If we want to stop abortion, we have to live the Gospel. You must care for the most vulnerable among us. You must provide that young woman with the resources she lacks. You must provide them with the opportunities that will advocate for life."

Pragmatism, my friend! You wouldn't take this? It looks as if the guy believes in separation of church and state. If I were lucky enough to live in Montana, I'd be happy with this.

It sounds like Montana to me.

He was running for gov in Montana. Do you think a Ted Kennedy liberal is going to go over well there? And way to be happy about winning a governorship and a senate seat in red states, and keeping a congressional seat. BAH! DLC! BAH!

think any moderate Dem is a sellout no matter where they are from. I don't agree with this, but you hear that a lot. Dean is much more sophisticated than many of his followers have proven to be.

All day today I been reading about the "many here" who think moderates are everything under the sun. I would like to know who.

I am a moderate, I always have been. I am sickened because my party is already talking about having to run a Southern governor, be sure he is a good Christian, be sure we don't make an issue of pro-choice or civil unions.

It is happening here in our local DEC. They decided we are not "moderate" or "conservative" enough to win, so we need to get more that way.

It never occurs to folks to have beliefs and standards, and to stand for them. People respect someone who really has something to say.

"Moderate" dems just voted for a bill with the first step to get rid of abortions. Just today. Wow, now we are really getting moderate.

I am so tired of being labelled a freaky lefty liberal. I don't like labels and DU is falling into the label trap very fast!

I did not name you. The point is, when running in Montana you must be more conservative than running in NY. Many here don't accept that fact. I will not name names.

Many Dems who voted for that bill were liberals.

I don't think running a southern governor is a bad idea. That doesn't mean selling out principles. Mark Warner is a very good Democrat. But he has also been able to appeal to rural voters to win elections. This is not a bad thing.

I am not a label person. I am a person who is rejecting the blame game. I think we need to get back to populism. WE need to run against those that have power. Its not left v right in my book at all.

they will win. You can not out-Christian them. I blame my party for a lot right now. I most certainly do. I blame them for the soon to be loss of the drug plan we got from our employers upon retirement.

I blame them because our medical insurance went up 1/3 this year and 1/3 last year. They voted for the plan.

I blame them for this huge mess in Iraq. They voted to go there.

Oh, yes, it is time to play the blame game.

will only help the Republicans.

Running a southernor will help us pick off the the one southern state we need. Warner would bring us Virginia and its 13 electoral votes. And he is a good governor who has done some very good things in Vermont including pushing through much needed tax reform to help the state fund public schools and higher education. He's but one example.

Most Democrats voted against the Medicare plan.

Whoever we nominate is going to be Christian. Dean is Christian.

The dead in our military, the dead Iraqi civilians. The women who won't have a right to choose, the gay community who might not have civil unions.

I don't think party anymore much. We really don't have one, you know.

We have a great party made up of great people. You love Howard Dean. He's a Democrat. The Democratic Party is down but not out. We lose elections sometimes. It happens. But we'll be back and we'll win very soon in the future.

"conservative" or less.

The media have run rampant with these labels. The greatest thing about local politics is that people don't have to worry about things like that as much; they can get practical.

That's why Montana politics and Idaho politics so fascinated me. (shhsshh! don't tell people about how beautiful it is in these places...)

On DU and other forums I visit, many people seem to thing that the only cogent part of the U.S. is on its coasts. I love the ocean, but I also know where to hide.

Even in freeperville, people refer to the vast place of the U.S. that resides in between the coasts as "flyover country."

???

As if the people flying over reject the notion that there is beauty, art, science, and education in that vast region.

has been my second home this year. It really is great out West. Of course, its also a place I've done good business helping to elect some great Democrats.

First child on the way. I don't think its wise to travel at this point.

A lot of us are passionate for the reason you mention. I keep pointing out in the forums here that the political dynamics have been shifting so greatly for 20 or so years, but now this thing has come to a head.

Does anyone really think that the hijacking of the Republican party 20-or-so years ago does not have ramifications for the Democrats and Independents? This thing has been going on, or at least realized, for the last 15 or 20 years. (Yes, the seeds were planted in the sixties, etc...)

The whole landscape has shifted. The DLC "New Democrats" are now, in fact, far behind.

There have been very direct and precise inversions, as a matter of fact. The cliche: "Who is going to take care of you?" pertains more now to Republicans than Democrats.

The struggle of the Democrat now is the struggle of the individual.

WOW

as I've said. I think the move to the right or move to the left arguments are pointless. Its about putting populism back in our campaigns. Its about reframing arguments better. Its about running tougher campaigns.

get a grip kiddo. Lots of people are DLC members. Some of them might actually have joined themselves rather than put on the list without their knowledge. Most of them will wise up and quit just like Gore, Dean, etc....

But what really amuses me is your complete confusion about what Dean and DFA stand for and believe in.

...got his AS* Whupped in the Columbus Ohio county commissioner's race!

David Goodman (GOP) ran TV ads showing the Scream as part of a negative assault on Dem Mary Jo Kilroy.

Kilroy responded with radio ads that said she was "...proud of Dean's endorsement..".

And she kicked his AS*!!!

I didn't know that a DFA endorsement would actually be attacked by anyone.

The more I think about it, the more hilarious it gets!

I was proud of that.

at the time?

I heard nothing about it. God but it's funny.

Some woman was condemning all the gay-loving Democrats, running the Dean scream ads. I can't think who it was, don't know if she won....she was crying for help from the right wing Christians. It was a pretty conservative area.

Will see if I can find it.

news, for the most part.

Was this done by Musgrave against Matsunaka?

made.

Dean ... keeps me hopeful. :hi: