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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-20-04 10:51 PM Original message |
DU moderates! What are the values on which you hold firm? |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-20-04 10:53 PM Response to Original message |
1. They're usually the same as "progressives" [sic]... |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-20-04 10:55 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. answer the question. |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-20-04 11:07 PM Response to Reply #2 |
11. The first value of a moderate is to let the DLC take over everything. |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-20-04 11:18 PM Response to Reply #11 |
19. sarcasm's always easier, isn't it? |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-20-04 11:20 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. How about this. |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-20-04 11:22 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. I'll take that as a "yes", then. |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-20-04 11:27 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. You might wonder what kind of person I am... |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-20-04 11:30 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. ? |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 10:28 AM Response to Reply #23 |
46. In other words you don't know what your values are? |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-20-04 11:43 PM Response to Reply #1 |
30. "it's just we don't like to be asses about it." |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 10:28 AM Response to Reply #30 |
47. LOL |
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Placebo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-20-04 10:57 PM Response to Original message |
3. MUST READ: Bill Clinton From Thursday... |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-20-04 11:02 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. the question was about you, not Bill Clinton. |
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Placebo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-20-04 11:03 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Well he said it better than I ever could. |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-20-04 11:07 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. oh, I don't know. |
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Placebo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-20-04 11:10 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. What's your problem? |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-20-04 11:12 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. Hey, that goes back to my post #1! |
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Lucky Luciano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-20-04 11:16 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. LOLOLOLOL! nt |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-20-04 11:20 PM Response to Reply #14 |
21. how can I condescend and ridicule you on your beliefs |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 05:20 PM Response to Reply #21 |
65. How can you condescend and ridicule w/o knowing their beliefs?? |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 06:29 PM Response to Reply #7 |
75. He did say it very well. Very well, indeed. |
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ithinkmyliverhurts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 08:18 PM Response to Reply #3 |
92. Oh, yeah, and I'll put to death humans of limited mental capabilities . . |
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AuntPatsy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-20-04 10:57 PM Response to Original message |
4. My own I attempt to hold firm, other people's values are not |
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AuntPatsy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-20-04 10:59 PM Response to Original message |
5. Oh, and those who have decided to speak for me, they surely |
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NEDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-20-04 11:05 PM Response to Original message |
8. The Bill of Rights and Constitution. |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-20-04 11:12 PM Response to Reply #8 |
15. ok, leaving aside |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 04:23 PM Response to Reply #15 |
63. Deleted message |
janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-20-04 11:05 PM Response to Original message |
9. Civil rights, environment, fiscal responsibility, foreign policy, and |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 10:32 AM Response to Reply #9 |
48. Hi my favorite moderate |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-20-04 11:07 PM Response to Original message |
12. I tried writing a little manifesto tonight |
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charlie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-20-04 11:34 PM Response to Reply #12 |
28. Excellent |
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katsy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-20-04 11:44 PM Response to Reply #12 |
31. Bravo! |
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newyawker99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 12:17 PM Response to Reply #31 |
54. Hi katsy!! |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 06:34 PM Response to Reply #12 |
76. In some ways, then, you are a "compassionate conservative". |
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Lucky Luciano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-20-04 11:09 PM Response to Original message |
13. I am a moderate |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-20-04 11:28 PM Response to Reply #13 |
24. ok, fair enough. |
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Lucky Luciano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-20-04 11:40 PM Response to Reply #24 |
29. Some jobs don't need training |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-20-04 11:46 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. you're still talking about public works projects |
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MichiganVote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-20-04 11:14 PM Response to Original message |
17. Provide for and protect the young, they bring the future |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-20-04 11:31 PM Response to Reply #17 |
27. largely sound in my humble opinion, and for what it's worth, |
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MichiganVote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 12:15 PM Response to Reply #27 |
53. Sure. I don't vote republican b/c they do not represent my values |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 05:25 PM Response to Reply #27 |
66. uly, values aren't all that specific |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 05:59 PM Response to Reply #66 |
68. semantics. |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 06:02 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. Do you know what the word "semantics" mean? |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 06:12 PM Response to Reply #69 |
71. I suppose I don't put as big a gulf |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 06:19 PM Response to Reply #71 |
72. Because people with the same values can support opposite policies |
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RafterMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-20-04 11:29 PM Response to Original message |
25. No. |
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kodi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-20-04 11:48 PM Response to Original message |
33. you gotta' be joking. these guys make gumby look rock-solid |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-20-04 11:50 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. my friend, |
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kodi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-20-04 11:53 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. fine, as long as i dont look like you circa 2000 |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 12:13 AM Response to Reply #37 |
38. hey - I have tiedye associated with you |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-20-04 11:50 PM Response to Original message |
34. abortion, civil liberties |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-20-04 11:52 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. ok. |
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kodi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 12:49 AM Response to Reply #36 |
40. the GOP is the Borg. how far do we have to retreat before we see it? |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 06:46 PM Response to Reply #36 |
104. you are talking to a peson n that thinks bush stole the election |
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JHBowden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 12:39 AM Response to Original message |
39. Secular values |
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Leilani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 01:13 AM Response to Original message |
41. Ok, I'm a proud moderate |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 05:33 PM Response to Reply #41 |
67. Now THOSE come awfully close to values!! |
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Leilani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 07:34 PM Response to Reply #67 |
88. Huh? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 08:10 PM Response to Reply #88 |
89. Deleted message |
Leilani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 08:13 PM Response to Reply #89 |
91. Thanks, sangh0! |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 06:14 AM Response to Reply #41 |
99. "fiscal conservative" - are you sure about that? |
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MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 01:52 AM Response to Original message |
42. As you can see by my sig, I think I'm a moderate |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 09:53 AM Response to Reply #42 |
43. ok, thanks - now I'll ask you the same question I asked seabeyond. |
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MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 02:16 PM Response to Reply #43 |
59. Don't fully understand your question, but . . . |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 06:10 PM Response to Reply #59 |
70. I think you understood it. |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 06:23 PM Response to Reply #70 |
73. Not true |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 06:40 PM Response to Reply #73 |
77. why, sangh0! what a surprise! |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 06:57 PM Response to Reply #77 |
81. You switched you argument |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 07:12 PM Response to Reply #81 |
82. let's look at Republican "compromise". |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 07:16 PM Response to Reply #82 |
83. Vouchers were a big deal for repukes to give up |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 07:17 PM Response to Reply #83 |
85. tell me in a few years if they've given them up. |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 07:18 PM Response to Reply #85 |
86. Tell me when the Dems give up opposing vouchers |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 07:21 PM Response to Reply #86 |
87. I'll do that. |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 08:11 PM Response to Reply #87 |
90. Heh |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 08:27 PM Response to Reply #90 |
95. How can it be a compromise when he has a legal responsibility to do so? |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 01:25 PM Response to Reply #95 |
100. Because bush* was NOT legally required to do so. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 08:25 PM Response to Reply #82 |
94. You're describing what I call a "legislative limited hangout". |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 04:36 PM Response to Reply #94 |
102. Call it what you want |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 06:41 PM Response to Reply #102 |
103. not if they end up getting it anyway. n/t |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 06:46 PM Response to Reply #42 |
78. WOAH WOAH WOAH! |
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MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 11:55 PM Response to Reply #78 |
96. Damn! You're right . . . |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 03:18 PM Response to Reply #96 |
101. No worries. They've worked hard to conflate the two in people's minds. |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 10:09 AM Response to Original message |
44. 1st, 4th, 5th, 6th and 8th Amendments, plus privacy issues. |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 10:21 AM Response to Reply #44 |
45. morning, Paddy. |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 06:27 PM Response to Reply #45 |
74. They don't. |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 06:46 PM Response to Reply #74 |
79. well hell, man. |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 05:04 AM Response to Reply #79 |
97. Awesome! |
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welshTerrier2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 10:55 AM Response to Original message |
49. Dem moderates and lefties are essentially the SAME |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 11:30 AM Response to Reply #49 |
50. I partly agree with you that it's about strategy more than values, |
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welshTerrier2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 12:24 PM Response to Reply #50 |
55. here's what I believe to be THE ISSUE ... |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 12:37 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. ok. |
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welshTerrier2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 12:55 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. "continuing to roll over" |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 11:36 AM Response to Reply #49 |
52. I Am Willing To Work With Middle Of The Roaders In A Common Front Against |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 06:57 PM Response to Reply #52 |
80. Good post, with one caveat: |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 07:17 PM Response to Reply #80 |
84. Way to go, Zhade!!! |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 08:20 PM Response to Reply #80 |
93. I See Your Point... |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 11:35 AM Response to Original message |
51. I think I'm liberal, some would say moderate. |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 12:29 PM Response to Original message |
56. Multiple things |
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leyton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 02:37 PM Response to Original message |
60. I draw the line at torture. Abu Graihb sickens me. |
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ScreamingMeemie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 02:41 PM Response to Original message |
61. Here's the thing. I think I was kicked out of the moderate group this |
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thinksmart (95 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 04:13 PM Response to Original message |
62. old article from democracy for america |
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Pushed To The Left (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-21-04 04:47 PM Response to Original message |
64. Liberals and moderates need to stick together |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-22-04 05:55 AM Response to Original message |
98. Domestically, fiscal responsibility, personal freedom, and redistribution |
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