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nebula Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 03:47 AM
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Do you agree with this take on Social Security?
Edited on Wed Nov-24-04 03:57 AM by nebula
Especially the paragraphs I highlighted in bold?


The Social Security Swindle
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Senator Daniel P. Moynihan (D-NY) has performed a signal service for all Americans by calling into question, for the first time since the early 1980s, the soundness of the nation's beloved Social Security System. A decade ago, the public was beginning to learn of the imminent bankruptcy of Social Security, only to be sent back into their half-century slumber in 1983 by the bipartisan Greenspan commission, which "saved" Social Security by installing a whopping and ever-rising set of increases in the Social Security tax. Any government program, of course, can be bailed out by levying more taxes to pay the tab.

Since the beginning of the Reagan administration, the much heralded "cuts" in the officially dubbed "income-tax" segment of our payroll taxes have been more than offset by the rise in the "Social-Security" portion. But since the public has been conditioned into thinking that the Social Security tax is somehow not a tax, the Reagan-Bush administrations have been able to get away with their pose as heroic champions of tax cuts and resisters against the tax-raising inclinations of the evil Democrats.

For the Social Security System is the biggest single racket in the entire panoply of welfare-state measures that have been fastened upon us by the New Deal and its successors. The American public has been conned into thinking that the Social Security tax is not a tax at all, but a benevolent national "insurance" scheme into which everyone pays premiums from the beginning of their working lives, finally "collecting" benefits when they get to be 65. The system is held to be analogous to a private insurance firm, which collects premiums over the years, invests them in productive ways that yield interest, and then later pays old-age annuities to the lucky beneficiaries.

So much for the facade. The reality, however, is the exact opposite. The federal government taxes the youth and adult working population, takes the money, and spends it on the boondoggles that make up the annual federal budget. Then, when the long-taxed person gets to be 65, the government taxes someone else--that is, the still-working population, to pay the so-called benefits.

Be assured, the executives of any private insurance company that tried this stunt would be spending the rest of their lives in much-merited retirement in the local hoosegow. The whole system is a vast Ponzi scheme, with the difference that Ponzi's notorious swindle at least rested solely on his ability to con his victims, whereas the government swindlers, of course, rely also on a vast apparatus of tax-coercion.

But this covers only one dimension of the Social Security racket. The "benefits," of course, are puny compared to a genuine private annuity, which makes productive investments. The purchasers of a private annuity receive, at the age, say of 65, a principal sum which they can obtain and which can also earn them further interest. The person on Social Security gets only the annual benefits, void of any capital sum. How could he, when the Social Security "fund" doesn't exist?

The notion that a fund really exists rests on a "creative" accounting fiction; yes, the fund does exist on paper, but the Social Security System actually grabs the money as it comes in and purchases bonds from the Treasury, which spends the money on its usual boondoggles.

But that's not all. The Social Security System is a "welfare" program that levies high and continually increasing taxes (a) only on wages, and on no other investment or interest income; and (b) is steeply regressive, hitting lower wage earners far more heavily than people in the upper brackets. Thus, income earners up to $51,300 per year are forced to pay, at this moment, 7.65% of their income to Social Security; but there the tax stops, so that, for example a person who earns $200,000 a year pays the same absolute amount ($3,924), which works out as only 2% of income. That's a welfare state!?

Over the years, the government has vastly increased the tax bite in two ways: by increasing the percentage, and by raising the maximum income level at which the tax ceases. As a result, since the start of the Reagan administration, the rate has gone up from 5.80% to 7.65%, and the maximum tax from $1,502 to $3,924 per year. And that's only the beginning.

The final aspect of the swindle was contributed by Reagan-Greenspan & Co. in 1983. Observing the high and mounting federal deficits, our bipartisan rulers decided to raise taxes and pile up a huge "surplus" in the non-existent Social Security fund, thereby "lowering" the embarrassing deficit on paper, while con tinuing the same stratospheric deficit in reality. Thus, the projected federal deficit for fiscal 1990 is $206 billion; but the estimated $65 billion "surplus" in the Social Security account officially reduces the deficit to $141 billion, thereby appeasing the ghosts of Gramm-Rudman. But of course there is no surplus; the $65 billion are promptly spent on Treasury bonds, and the Treasury adds that to the stream of general expenditures on $20,000 coffeemakers, bailouts for S&L crooks, and the rest of its worthy causes.

But Senator Moynihan, one of the authors of the current swindle as part of the Greenspan Commission, has blown at least part of the lid off the scam. At which point, the Republicans happily took up the traditional Democratic count that their opposition has set out, cruelly and heartlessly, to throw the nation's much revered elderly into the gutter.

Senator Moynihan's proposal for a small roll-back of the Social Security tax to 6.5 5% at least opens the entire matter for public debate. Moynihan's motives have been called into question, but after we recover from our shock at a politician possibly acting for political motives, we must realize that we owe him a considerable debt. The problem is that, while many writers and journalists understand the truth and tell it in print, they generally do so in subdued and decorous tones, drenching the reader in reams of statistics.

The public will never be roused to rise up and get rid of this monstrous system until they are told the truth in no uncertain terms: in other words, until a swindle is called a swindle.


http://www.mises.org/econsense/ch18.asp
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lgardengate Donating Member (341 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 03:56 AM
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1. Sadly, This IS all to True. It was suposed to be a "trust fund"
But never was.Now people live YEARS longer than when SS was put into place and when boomers all retire more people will be collecting than paying into the system.Bush wants those illigals put on the books so they will be paying into the system.

I am disabled and already on SS since i was 33.i't a scarry problem.
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 04:21 AM
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2. wording is a key to the mind-set
For the Social Security System is the biggest single racket in the entire panoply of welfare-state measures that have been fastened upon us by the New Deal and its successors.

...racket

...welfare-state

...fastened (foisted echoes in background)

...New Deal ...
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 04:28 AM
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3. click on 'about us' at the site and get code-words like this
....

In this cause, the Mises Institute works to advance the Austrian School of economics and the Misesian tradition, and, in application, defends the market economy, private property, sound money, and peaceful international relations, while opposing government intervention as economically and socially destructive.

....

government intervention as economically and socially destructive
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 04:37 AM
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4. Try the following links
http://www.socsec.org/
http://www.tcf.org/Publications/RetirementSecurity/socsec_rc.pdf

Opponents of Social Security have been striving to convince American workers, especially young adults, that Social Security will no longer exist by the time they retire. Phrases such as "imminent crisis" and "unmanageable costs" lace this rhetoric. To a large extent, this alarmism is voiced by those who are hostile to government and therefore favor replacing all or part of one of this nation’s most successful and essential programs with private investment accounts. Bernard Wasow demonstrates why the "crisis" in Social Security is actually quite manageable.

http://www.tcf.org/socsec.org/publications.asp?pubid=338

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kori Donating Member (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 09:20 AM
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5. Privatization of Social Security
A very little known fact of the Argentine Debt bubble breaking and subsequent runaway inflation and bankruptcy is that they privatized their social security system in a manner similar to what is being proposed here. This allowed consumer debt to explode on little or non existent capital.

If that is the future you want, privatize. We may have it anyway this would just assure it.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 10:51 AM
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9. Is there any information on this?
Because this would be some kind of example to spread far and wide why it won't work ..other than the obvious.
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greenohio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 11:16 AM
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11. This is from the CBO...
It talks about a whole bunch of solutions implemented elsewhere.

http://www.cbo.gov/showdoc.cfm?index=1065&sequence=0
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 09:49 AM
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6. I can smell Libertarian greedheads a mile away
:-)
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greenohio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 10:17 AM
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7. This is a loser issue for us.
Social Security IS in trouble. Those saying it is not are at odds with the Social Security Administration. The longer we wait, the more painful the fix. Kerry's plan of not cutting benefits, not raising taxes and not allowing individual accounts was a BAD PLAN.

http://www.ssa.gov/qa.htm

Q:I'm 25 years old. If nothing is done to change Social Security, what can I expect to receive in retirement benefits from the program?

A:Unless changes are made, when you reach age 63 in 2042, benefits for all retirees could be cut by 27 percent and could continue to be reduced every year thereafter. If you lived to be 100 years old in 2079 (which will be more common by then), your scheduled benefits could be reduced by 33 percent from today's scheduled levels. See the Trustees Report....Social Security's financing problems are long term and will not affect today's retirees and near-retirees, but they are very large and serious. People are living longer, the first baby boomers are five years from retirement, and the birth rate is low. The result is that the worker-to-beneficiary ratio has fallen from 16-to-1 in 1950 to 3.3-to-1 today. Within 40 years it will be 2-to-1. At this ratio there will not be enough workers to pay scheduled benefits at current tax rates.


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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 10:43 AM
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8. Bait and switch works much easier on young people.
Yes Mr. W we want you to have all our money. Please privatize this evil program for us. Go forth and simplify.:party:
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greenohio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 10:51 AM
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10. Welcome to DU.
Edited on Wed Nov-24-04 10:52 AM by greenohio
I agree, shrub is going to sell the younger workers up the river. That said, we gave him the issue with the "no plan" plan. Gore did the same thing, but he called his "no plan" a lockbox.

That said, there are ways to implement individual accounts, not privatize, that appear to work. Sweden is a model that many countries are working toward.

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