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placton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 12:30 PM
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Our Senators Sold Us Out - Again!
Harry Reed and the gang showed us that their rolling over has just begun. Boys and girls, even Hillary Clinton (who supports the war crimes in Iraq through her votes) did not have the guts to vote against the new budget.
John McCain (and 5 other Republicans) voted against the budget. “Our” senators were provided with lotsa cover for voting against this bill, a “wish list” for the far right.
But apparently getting out of town, and spitting in the faces of over 50 million Americans who support our values, was more important.
We will see this happen again and again. It gives the GOP plenty of cover for their efforts to destroy America: “Even Hillary agreed with this.” “Gee, Harry Reed and Tom Daschle both voted for this.”
I am just amazed that these Senators would do this. Check out the news report below, as well as Dems (yeah, right!) voting for this abomination, and Repubs who opposed


News report - from Salon:

“America's religious right has scored its first legislative victory since George W. Bush's reelection by inserting a clause into a spending bill to undermine state laws requiring hospitals to provide abortions.

The provision, a last-minute addition to a $388 billion budget bill, was approved by Congress without debate last weekend in one of its last acts of this legislative session. It is expected to be signed into law soon by President Bush. The passage of the bill caps a two-year campaign by Roman Catholic bishops and antiabortion organizations to give legal cover to hospitals that refuse to perform terminations, or to even refer women to abortion providers.

The country's largest antiabortion group described the bill's passage as one of its most important legal victories. The triumph for the religious right was condemned by Democratic senators and women's activists as a clandestine attempt to chisel away at abortion rights.”

Yep, condemned by the SAME Dems who voted for this law!

Yet here are the Dems who voted for this abortion of a bill, which included lotsa pork for Repukes, and other measures which we as a party used to support:

Baucus (D-MT), Yea
Biden (D-DE), Not Voting
Bingaman (D-NM), Yea
Breaux (D-LA), Yea
Cantwell (D-WA), Yea
Clinton (D-NY), Yea
Daschle (D-SD), Yea
Dayton (D-MN), Yea
Dorgan (D-ND), Yea
Feinstein (D-CA), Yea
Harkin (D-IA), Yea
Inouye (D-HI), Yea
Johnson (D-SD), Yea
Landrieu (D-LA), Yea
Lieberman (D-CT), Yea
Lincoln (D-AR), Yea
Mikulski (D-MD), Yea
Miller (D-GA), Yea
Murray (D-WA), Yea
Nelson (D-FL), Yea
Pryor (D-AR), Yea
Reid (D-NV), Yea
Schumer (D-NY), Yea
Wyden (D-OR), Yea

Republicans who voted no:

Ensign (R-NV), Nay
Hagel (R-NE), Nay
Inhofe (R-OK), Nay
Kyl (R-AZ), Nay
McCain (R-AZ), Nay
Sessions (R-AL), Nay
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 12:39 PM
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1. But they had to get home for Thanksgiving!!
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placton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 12:41 PM
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2. Yep!
You hit the nail right on the head. Eating turkey is more important than the US.
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Donna Zen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 12:43 PM
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3. Pass the plastic turkey!
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 12:44 PM
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4. Surprise, Surprise, Surprise
Forgive me, but I'm so used to this by now, that the real surprise on the list to me is that "Abu Inhofe," he is who is "outraged by the outrage" voted no. Hmn, what's going on there?
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placton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 12:48 PM
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5. I suspect the GOP-ers who voted against
are deficit hawks, who truly believe the US is gonna be bankrupted. And what a nice headline this WOULD been:

"ALL DEMOCRATIC SENATORS JOIN MCCAIN AND OTHERS IN OPPOSING BUSH BUDGET - SAY WE CANNOT AFFORD IT"

But, nope, our folks in Washington don't wanna take the course their base would support. I suspect they figgered we'd miss the news.
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 12:53 PM
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6. Yes, about that headline --
We can dream, can't we?

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placton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 12:55 PM
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7. But each of the Senators on that list
will be hitting us up for money soon - telling us in screaming headlines how "only they" can stop the conservative juggernaut. I sure hope they don't waste postage on me.
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 01:06 PM
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9. You're so right
Maybe I should start collecting clippings of just these sorts of votes and mailing it to them by way of explanation of why I'll pass on donating to them.
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 12:55 PM
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8. I wonder if the OP got that wrong? WTF, Insane Inhofe?
Can't imagine. :eyes: :wtf:
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 01:07 PM
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10. am I counting right? . . . if all the Dems had joine those five Repugs . .
this bill would have been defeated, no? . . .

so tell me again why I should support the Democrats? . . . or even my two sellout senators, Clinton and Schumer? . . .
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Langis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 01:07 PM
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12. exactly, I am so mad right now.
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placton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 01:16 PM
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14. That's the toughest for me
why would the Hill and Chuckie vote this way? Don't care? Dumb? Think some asshole wingers will vote for them?
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Langis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 01:07 PM
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11. This is why Democrats lost the elction
Democrats have no fucking backbone.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 01:12 PM
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13. Kerry voted nay !
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Niche Donating Member (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 02:41 PM
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16. Yeah! Kerry
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 02:43 PM
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18. why am I not surprised
Edited on Wed Nov-24-04 02:45 PM by JohnKleeb
a lot of names I like voted yes though.
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angrydemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 05:06 PM
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26. Kerry Voted No!
I wonder how many are on this list that so many DU's are praising would be so much better than Kerry voted for this crap. Like for starters Clinton.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 09:52 PM
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45. personally I am surprised at a lot of those
and what I don't get is how people are talking about how horrible democrats are when umm guys most democrats voted against this bill. I am really not surprised about Kerry though, if he didn't have Ted Kennedy or was the senior senator from his state, he would be known as a liberal, instead he made his mark as an investigator. Kudos to all those who did vote against it though.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 12:44 PM
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48. Most DLCer's Hmmmm???
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lojasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 06:01 PM
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27. Nope, Kerry and Edwards abstained HR: 2673
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=108&session=2&vote=00003

Grouped By Vote Position YEAs ---65
Akaka (D-HI)
Alexander (R-TN)
Allen (R-VA)
Bennett (R-UT)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Bond (R-MO)
Breaux (D-LA)
Brownback (R-KS)
Bunning (R-KY)
Burns (R-MT)
Campbell (R-CO)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Carper (D-DE)
Chafee (R-RI)
Cochran (R-MS)
Coleman (R-MN)
Collins (R-ME)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Craig (R-ID)
Crapo (R-ID)
DeWine (R-OH)
Dodd (D-CT)
Dole (R-NC)
Durbin (D-IL)
Enzi (R-WY)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Fitzgerald (R-IL)
Frist (R-TN)
Graham (R-SC)
Grassley (R-IA)
Gregg (R-NH)
Harkin (D-IA)
Hatch (R-UT)
Hollings (D-SC)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Inouye (D-HI)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Lott (R-MS)
Lugar (R-IN)
McConnell (R-KY)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Miller (D-GA)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Murray (D-WA)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Nickles (R-OK)
Pryor (D-AR)
Reid (D-NV)
Roberts (R-KS)
Santorum (R-PA)
Schumer (D-NY)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Smith (R-OR)
Specter (R-PA)
Stevens (R-AK)
Sununu (R-NH)
Talent (R-MO)
Thomas (R-WY)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Warner (R-VA)

NAYs ---28
Allard (R-CO)
Bayh (D-IN)
Biden (D-DE)
Boxer (D-CA)
Byrd (D-WV)
Clinton (D-NY)
Conrad (D-ND)
Corzine (D-NJ)
Daschle (D-SD)
Dayton (D-MN)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Ensign (R-NV)
Feingold (D-WI)
Graham (D-FL)
Jeffords (I-VT)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kohl (D-WI)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
McCain (R-AZ)
Reed (D-RI)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Sarbanes (D-MD)
Snowe (R-ME)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Wyden (D-OR)

Not Voting - 7
Baucus (D-MT)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Domenici (R-NM)
Edwards (D-NC)
Hagel (R-NE)
Kerry (D-MA)
Lieberman
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 06:24 PM
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29. this is something else from January of this year
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lojasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 06:53 PM
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34. Oops, sorry.
Stroke, I think.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 06:25 PM
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30. Wait, in this roll call. Hillary voted "No". Which is it?
I find it funny that the original post lists the GOP-ers voting "No" but not the Dems - and no link either. What is your point again?
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 06:27 PM
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33. this is a different bill from January where Hillary voted no
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 02:25 PM
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15. Don't count Miller, though nt
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 02:43 PM
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17. This is what they've been doing for the last 4 friggin' years.
Edited on Wed Nov-24-04 02:43 PM by in_cog_ni_to
They're all worthless pieces of shit. :grr: Look at this crap.

A selected list of hometown and special-interest projects in the $388 billion government spending package:
· Alabama: $4 million for the International Fertilizer Development Center in Muscle Shoals.
· Alaska: $443,000 to develop salmon-fortified baby food.
· Arizona: $2.5 million for Lone Pine Dam Road.
· California: $150,000 for the Girl Scouts Golden Valley Council bridge project.
· Florida: $1 million for the Palm Coast Trail System in Flagler County.
· Kentucky: $2.3 million for an animal waste management research laboratory in Bowling Green.
· Hawaii: $4 million for mitigation of congestion in Kapolei City.
· Illinois: $1.4 million for an Interstate-55 sound barrier in Darien.
· Massachusetts: $1.2 million for Cape Cod Seashore Eastham/Dennis Bike Trail Repair.
· Mississippi: $750,000 for the Mississippi Museum of Natural Science.
· Montana: $1.5 million for a ''fuels-in-schools'' biomass project.
· North Carolina: $1 million for Garden Parkway in Gaston and Mecklenburg counties.
· Ohio: $750,000 for the city of Circleville's sewer construction project; $350,000 for music education programs at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in Cleveland.
· Oregon: $6.28 million to Oregon State University for wood utilization research and $688,000 for a barley gene-mapping project.
· Pennsylvania: $250,000 to promote tourism in the Allegheny National Forest area.
· Tennessee: $2 million for the Fiery Gizzard Trail.
· Vermont: $500,000 for a wood products program.
· Virginia: $500,000 for the Amherst County River Walk Trail; $200,000 for a Vermont Civil War Monument in Virginia.
· Washington: $1 million for the Enumclaw welcome center; $1 million for the Norwegian American Foundation.
· Wisconsin: $3.2 million for the Chequamego-Nicolet National Forest ''Wisconsin Wild Waterways.''


Source: AP


http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20041124025209990010
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Mick Knox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 02:45 PM
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19. I am stunned.
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tjdee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 02:54 PM
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20. My Senators are great...Edwards, great....
I love my Senators. I have to send them some money or something, just so pleased with Corzine and Lautenberg.
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MsUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 03:13 PM
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21. Tom Harkin from Iowa & Dayton of Minnesota voted for it?? D*mn.
Good ol' Russ Feingold of Wisconsin voted against it.
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lojasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 06:19 PM
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28. Dayton voted against. See post nujmber 27
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 06:25 PM
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31. that's another bill that you posted which is from January
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lojasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 07:44 PM
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36. Yup, on crack, sorry.
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Mutley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 03:18 PM
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22. If this sort of thing continues...
as I'm sure it will - then we are in a whole lotta trouble...
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 03:38 PM
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23. How are Dems going to run against Repugs if they don't SHOW why
Edited on Wed Nov-24-04 03:39 PM by w4rma
they are better? They should be building the foundation for their case NOW. This is why elections across the country have been lost. Because, folks just don't hear what is going on and then when the find out, they see that Dems voted for these things too which provides Repugs with their cover.
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PlanetBev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 04:50 PM
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24. Don't these people ever have an original thought?
Why can't, just for once, the Democratic senators band together, and just refuse to vote on this vile budget, until the anti-choice amendment is removed? So what if they tie-up everything? Karl Rove is working on picking off more Democrats in the 2006 election, so why not go down with some dignity? Why do they think they can't continue on this way and think that they're going to recover their numbers in some future election? They stand for nothing and everybody knows it. And I don't understand why Hillary Clinton is such a big star. She voted for the IWR and this foul budget. Haven't they learned yet that appeasement only encourages the baracuda-like behavior from the Republicans? Oh, silly me, I forgot they're trying to protect their cushy jobs and pensions.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 05:02 PM
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25. What's up with Hillary and her
voting with the repukes?..doesn't even pay to have her as a Senator if she can't stand up to the fascists.

Is there a link for this?
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 06:26 PM
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32. Can we have a link? dems who voted "No"? Why list only GOP-ers
who voted "NO"?
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tjdee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 07:02 PM
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35. Is this it?
But is this the foreign budget only?


Akaka (D-HI)
Bayh (D-IN)
Boxer (D-CA)
Byrd (D-WV)
Carper (D-DE)
Conrad (D-ND)
Corzine (D-NJ)
Dodd (D-CT)
Durbin (D-IL)
Edwards (D-NC)
Feingold (D-WI)
Graham (D-FL)
Jeffords (I-VT)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Kohl (D-WI)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Nelson (D-NE)
Reed (D-RI)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Sarbanes (D-MD)
Sessions (R-AL)
Stabenow (D-MI)

Not Voting - 5
Biden (D-DE)


http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=108&session=2&vote=00215
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lojasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 07:45 PM
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37. That's the only bill voted upon on that day.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 07:48 PM
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38. You expect too much of these slimeballs. Dem or Rep
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 09:09 PM
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39. Sloppy message, wholesale accusations kind of defeat your purpose
Edited on Wed Nov-24-04 09:10 PM by robbedvoter
I already know that nothing good will come from the senate for many, many years (until miraculously elections come back). I barely see the point of studying roll calls anymore. If I however do, it better be the whole info, and the actual bill.
But for someone to level accusations - no link, wrong bill, no list of nays from Dems (but somehow republicans who voted "No" are commended), is freeperish in intention and results.
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Sugarbleus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 09:24 PM
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40. Doesn't anyone smell the burning flesh in BOTH parties yet?
Right at this moment in time, I'm fed up with all the politicians.

Our Dems have rolled over for years... somethings wrong with them; they've changed. Gone is the backbone, clear vision, honest representation of the people.... They DON'T listen to us anymore!!! (unless of course you are part of the upper class Dems)

I'd like to grab hold of those particularly heedless dems and beat the snot out of them!! Geezus, we send them to Washington, we trust they will represent our ideals but they don't. It's pathetic!

OFF WITH THEIR HEADS...:grr:
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 09:38 PM
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41. Most Dems are...
wimpy weasles. The Dem Party has turned into the Dim Bulb Party.
All progressives should think hard now about leaving and joining the Green Party!
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 09:41 PM
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42. Such generalizations!
"Most" Dems are not wimps or weasles...although one could apply this language to the Dem LEADERSHIP. Working with the DLC...they've given away everything to have a seat at the table of power.

The many Dems that WANT to fight Bush* are ridiculed and scorned by Bush* appeasers.
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Sugarbleus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 09:56 PM
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46. Yes, the leadership has run aground..
that's what I meant.....not attaching my views to the everyday citizen dem... :hi:
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flaminbats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 10:10 PM
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47. two parties, blindly following one leadership..
Bill Frist is the Republican leader, and Harry Reid is now the Republican whip.
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Sugarbleus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 09:50 PM
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44. I'm certainly considering it...if not green then maybe independent..
I'd like my vote to count, so the Greens seem the obvious choice.

I'm voting my conscience this time...no question about it.

Fed up!
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DemGirl7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 09:45 PM
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43. mad at my senators...
What is wrong with my Democratic senators from NY??? I'm very surprised at them...kinda...
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