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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 01:58 PM Original message |
Poll question: Is Dean a progressive? |
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damntexdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 02:01 PM Response to Original message |
1. Dean is a moderate Democrat. |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 02:02 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. With strong convictions. |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 04:14 PM Response to Reply #1 |
88. My thinking exactly. nt |
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genius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 04:21 PM Response to Reply #1 |
93. He's a conservitive on the environment, criminal justice, the economy, |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 05:47 PM Response to Reply #93 |
140. bullshit |
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ibegurpard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 06:14 PM Response to Reply #93 |
156. "To the right of Bush on most issues." |
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Reality Not Tin Foil (325 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 02:01 PM Response to Original message |
2. YES!!!! |
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DoveTurnedHawk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 02:02 PM Response to Original message |
4. I Think Dean Defies Easy Labeling |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 02:03 PM Response to Original message |
5. He is whatever you want to call him. He does not like labels. |
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New Democrat (71 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 02:05 PM Response to Original message |
6. Dean may not be a true progressive |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 08:20 PM Response to Reply #6 |
212. Whoa! Welcome DU... |
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lojasmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 02:11 PM Response to Original message |
7. The Dean quotes are not contradictory |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 02:16 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. The first quote |
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lojasmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 02:25 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. Paul was a DEMOCRAT |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 02:30 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. Not really |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 02:37 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. I guess the meaning is vague |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 02:48 PM Response to Reply #16 |
24. do you think liberals are stupid? |
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lastliberalintexas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 03:07 PM Response to Reply #24 |
34. Well of course |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 03:15 PM Response to Reply #34 |
43. gosh darn it all |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 03:08 PM Response to Reply #24 |
35. I was surprised |
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ScreamingMeemie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 03:13 PM Response to Reply #35 |
40. Most governors' records end up looking moderate when put up without |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 03:13 PM Response to Reply #35 |
41. see now you are pretending people supported Dean |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 03:17 PM Response to Reply #41 |
45. Pretending? |
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ScreamingMeemie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 03:28 PM Response to Reply #45 |
53. Link? |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 03:29 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. Real Life |
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ScreamingMeemie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 03:31 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. And I'm going to believe you. Sorry. I don't. This reminds me of |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 04:06 PM Response to Reply #56 |
80. I'm sure some Republicans did |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 03:09 PM Response to Reply #24 |
36. Who do you think is stupid? |
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lastliberalintexas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 03:12 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. No one |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 03:18 PM Response to Reply #36 |
46. clue phone Rad |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 03:26 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. Try again, you missed the point |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 03:31 PM Response to Reply #48 |
57. again you can't seem to adjust to the fact that he doesn't fit in your |
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NYCGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 05:03 PM Response to Reply #48 |
109. "Leader of the (loony) left" is a right-wing meme. |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 05:30 PM Response to Reply #109 |
123. Your point? |
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NYCGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 05:32 PM Response to Reply #123 |
125. Merely what I stated. (eom) |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 08:30 PM Response to Reply #36 |
215. Then how come... |
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dorktv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 02:44 PM Response to Reply #10 |
17. I was under the impression that like Wellstone, Dean wanted |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 02:48 PM Response to Reply #17 |
22. Stand for our beliefs and have strong resolve. |
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dorktv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 03:00 PM Response to Reply #22 |
27. Give 'Em Hell Howard. |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 02:13 PM Response to Original message |
8. Isn't the last quote a little dishonest to his supporters? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 02:26 PM Response to Reply #8 |
13. He said he thought of reclaiming the word, but may be too damaged |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 02:32 PM Response to Reply #8 |
15. HUH? |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 03:06 PM Response to Reply #15 |
32. I have a need for people to be straightforward |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 03:11 PM Response to Reply #32 |
37. DK didn't force Dean anywhere..that idea is ludicrous |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 03:34 PM Response to Reply #37 |
59. How about |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 03:42 PM Response to Reply #59 |
71. Like I tell the Clinton haters |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 03:53 PM Response to Reply #71 |
76. But he is running for |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 04:07 PM Response to Reply #76 |
81. let it go |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 04:56 PM Response to Reply #81 |
103. Please get the point |
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greenohio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 03:27 PM Response to Reply #15 |
50. I think for some... |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 03:33 PM Response to Reply #50 |
58. silly boy |
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greenohio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 03:35 PM Response to Reply #58 |
61. I keep asking for details... |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 03:36 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. I guess you'll have to stay in the dark |
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greenohio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 03:39 PM Response to Reply #63 |
67. Awww c'mon. |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 04:08 PM Response to Reply #67 |
82. meaninglesss babble |
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greenohio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 04:10 PM Response to Reply #82 |
83. Which one, the primary conspiracy theory... |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 04:17 PM Response to Reply #83 |
90. Iknowyouarebut what amI |
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JHBowden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 02:13 PM Response to Original message |
9. Overall, Dean is a moderate. |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 02:45 PM Response to Reply #9 |
18. his a rating from the NRA doesn't mean he is not "liberal" |
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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 02:26 PM Response to Original message |
12. Dean is a miraculous moderate |
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dorktv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 02:46 PM Response to Reply #12 |
19. I think Dean got them to go for him because he was willing |
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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 02:46 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. I think you're right |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 03:16 PM Response to Reply #19 |
44. And they went for him because of his rather "progressive" record in |
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dorktv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 03:43 PM Response to Reply #44 |
72. They looked at him first because of the fighting back. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 04:47 PM Response to Reply #72 |
99. Ahh, I getcha. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 03:07 PM Response to Reply #12 |
33. It depends on how one defines "progressive" ... |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 03:13 PM Response to Reply #12 |
42. what's so miraculous |
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ibegurpard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 03:26 PM Response to Reply #42 |
49. You're statements make the assumption |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 03:28 PM Response to Reply #42 |
54. what's so miraculous about voting anti woman your whole career |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 03:38 PM Response to Reply #54 |
66. Did you ever notice how when Bush |
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ibegurpard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 03:40 PM Response to Reply #66 |
68. No, it's a perfectly valid point to make |
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Demobrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 05:45 PM Response to Reply #12 |
136. He wasn't in the senate, |
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JaneQPublic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 02:47 PM Response to Original message |
21. Dean is a social progressive but a fiscal conservative |
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JohnKleeb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 02:48 PM Response to Original message |
23. moderate, the guy even says so |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 02:49 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. The DLC first labeled him as fringe lefty when his donations soared. |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 03:02 PM Response to Reply #23 |
29. rhetoric? no |
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dorktv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 03:05 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. Even Roosevelt wanted balenced budgets. |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 03:35 PM Response to Reply #30 |
60. Well she certainly had people fooled into thinking she was a liberal |
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dorktv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 03:43 PM Response to Reply #60 |
74. EVEN not Eleanor. |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 04:11 PM Response to Reply #74 |
85. sorry LOL |
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ScreamingMeemie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 02:54 PM Response to Original message |
26. Does it really matter anymore???? |
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dorktv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 03:02 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. *hands you a turkey* This a natural turkey not one of those over |
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lastliberalintexas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 03:05 PM Response to Original message |
31. You have to define the term first |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 03:12 PM Response to Original message |
38. Got links to all those quotes? Should we post quotes from Kucinich on |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 03:28 PM Response to Reply #38 |
52. Tell that to |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 03:38 PM Response to Reply #52 |
65. not one of us disagrees with MzMolly |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 03:41 PM Response to Reply #65 |
70. So you agree that he is a progressive |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 04:12 PM Response to Reply #70 |
86. lables are making your posts meaningless |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 05:48 PM Response to Reply #70 |
142. Do you think Kucinich has a "progressive" record on womans choice issues? |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 04:50 PM Response to Reply #52 |
101. See post 100. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 04:49 PM Response to Reply #38 |
100. They may define "progressive" in a different manner than I. Now for those |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 04:58 PM Response to Reply #100 |
105. Why? |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 05:38 PM Response to Reply #105 |
132. Yes I disbelieve he said some of the quotes. Salon has been known to |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 05:45 PM Response to Reply #132 |
137. Ok then |
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greenohio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 03:25 PM Response to Original message |
47. Dean is a moderate, if you had to categorize. |
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ScreamingMeemie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 03:27 PM Response to Reply #47 |
51. He supported making NAFTA fair. There's a difference. Leveling the |
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greenohio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 03:37 PM Response to Reply #51 |
64. Uhhh, then say I don't support NAFTA, not "I support NAFTA" |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 03:40 PM Response to Reply #64 |
69. "he's their guy"? |
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greenohio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 03:43 PM Response to Reply #69 |
73. Howard Dean. |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 03:54 PM Response to Reply #73 |
77. LOL |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 04:11 PM Response to Reply #73 |
84. why should I listen to you when you are so clearly |
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fujiyama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 03:36 PM Response to Original message |
62. Dean is right |
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talk hard (549 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 03:52 PM Response to Original message |
75. Dean Always Was a Moderate |
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ibegurpard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 03:55 PM Response to Reply #75 |
79. I've always found it amusing |
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greenohio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 04:13 PM Response to Reply #79 |
87. I'm not sure that's it. |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 04:21 PM Response to Reply #87 |
92. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
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greenohio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 04:28 PM Response to Reply #92 |
95. What were you saying about juvenile? |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 05:50 PM Response to Reply #95 |
147. boo |
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talk hard (549 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 06:49 PM Response to Reply #92 |
186. Screen names |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 08:05 PM Response to Reply #87 |
209. Tell me who is true to all of OUR values first... |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 03:55 PM Response to Original message |
78. Hide Thread |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 04:15 PM Response to Original message |
89. Social liberal, fiscal conservative. |
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greenohio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 04:19 PM Response to Reply #89 |
91. Question, where does gun control fit? |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 04:24 PM Response to Reply #91 |
94. it's populist |
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greenohio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 04:30 PM Response to Reply #94 |
97. Its good to see you laughing. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 05:18 PM Response to Reply #97 |
112. We have decided to embrace your anger toward us.. |
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greenohio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 05:21 PM Response to Reply #112 |
113. Awww. I have friends. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 05:24 PM Response to Reply #113 |
118. See, there is love here for you. |
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greenohio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 05:27 PM Response to Reply #118 |
120. You were right. Once again. |
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NYCGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 05:21 PM Response to Reply #112 |
114. I'm with you, MadFlor, let's all sing folk songs! |
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greenohio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 05:23 PM Response to Reply #114 |
117. Is this all because I said that Dean doesn't eat babies? |
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ibegurpard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 05:34 PM Response to Reply #117 |
128. You really should have a talk |
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greenohio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 05:38 PM Response to Reply #128 |
130. You know, I am not going to refer to you as my |
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ibegurpard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 05:45 PM Response to Reply #130 |
138. I'm confused. |
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greenohio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 05:47 PM Response to Reply #138 |
141. I see that you |
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ibegurpard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 05:48 PM Response to Reply #141 |
144. You don't have to be witty yourself |
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greenohio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 05:49 PM Response to Reply #144 |
145. No. No you don't. |
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Zensea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 05:49 PM Response to Reply #144 |
146. lol |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 05:53 PM Response to Reply #144 |
149. LOL, good one |
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greenohio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 05:57 PM Response to Reply #149 |
151. Now isn't that the pot calling the kettle black. |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 04:52 PM Response to Reply #91 |
102. Where I live, it would be 'mainstream' |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 08:24 PM Response to Reply #91 |
214. Where does "union busting" fit? |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 04:29 PM Response to Original message |
96. So, "Dean-moderate" isn't the same as "DLC-moderate"? |
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greenohio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 04:31 PM Response to Reply #96 |
98. Exactly. |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 04:58 PM Response to Original message |
104. I learned here that Dean is a baby-eating freak and not to trust him |
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greenohio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 04:59 PM Response to Reply #104 |
106. Dean does not eat-babies. |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 05:01 PM Response to Reply #106 |
107. No. It has been very clearly explained here at DU that he does. |
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greenohio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 05:03 PM Response to Reply #107 |
108. I won't believe it. |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 06:44 PM Response to Reply #108 |
181. c'mon we can pretend we believe it |
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ScreamingMeemie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 05:23 PM Response to Reply #104 |
116. You know, you've got something there....clearly we don't need to |
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WI_DEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 05:08 PM Response to Original message |
110. I think he defies labels but he is a fighter |
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Zensea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 05:13 PM Response to Original message |
111. It's absolutely essential to define your terms |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 05:23 PM Response to Original message |
115. This type of thread is why many Dean supporters won't come to DU. |
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greenohio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 05:25 PM Response to Reply #115 |
119. You mean there's more of you? |
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NYCGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 05:27 PM Response to Reply #119 |
121. Lots more, but we don't all live in the first few states that voted. |
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greenohio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 05:28 PM Response to Reply #121 |
122. I don't have any historical data on this...but is it true.... |
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NYCGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 05:30 PM Response to Reply #122 |
124. When the primay schedule is deliberately "front-loaded", it's hard to get |
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greenohio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 05:32 PM Response to Reply #124 |
126. Oh, well maybe you all should move to IA |
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NYCGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 05:33 PM Response to Reply #126 |
127. Or maybe we should go back to the schedule that worked for so long. |
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greenohio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 05:35 PM Response to Reply #127 |
129. Weren't IA and NH always first? |
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NYCGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 05:41 PM Response to Reply #129 |
133. The primaries were spaced much closer together so that if |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 05:38 PM Response to Reply #119 |
131. Iowa took care of that. I never had a chance here in Florida. |
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greenohio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 05:41 PM Response to Reply #131 |
134. Didn't Clinton lose IA? |
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NYCGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 05:43 PM Response to Reply #134 |
135. Yes, Clinton lost the first three primaries. But the schedule was |
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greenohio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 05:46 PM Response to Reply #135 |
139. So do you think the schedule was shortened to kill insurgent candidates? |
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NYCGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 05:48 PM Response to Reply #139 |
143. I have no idea. But it certainly doesn't help. |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 05:51 PM Response to Reply #139 |
148. Shouldn't the shorter schedule have made it easier for Dean to recover? |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 05:58 PM Response to Reply #148 |
152. well that is about the worst analysis I have heard yet |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 06:13 PM Response to Reply #152 |
154. I'm not surprised you wrote that |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 06:23 PM Response to Reply #154 |
164. sometimes only the obvious needs to be stated |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 06:31 PM Response to Reply #164 |
169. So you tell me |
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clarknyc (393 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 06:14 PM Response to Reply #152 |
155. Agreed |
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greenohio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 06:19 PM Response to Reply #152 |
160. Ok. So here's what I managed to decipher. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 09:04 PM Response to Reply #160 |
222. "travel in packs" We do? |
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NYCGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 06:00 PM Response to Reply #148 |
153. No, I don't think so. Kerry's Iowa win dominated the news cycles, donors |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 06:18 PM Response to Reply #153 |
159. Dean didn't need an Iowa win like others |
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NYCGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 07:24 PM Response to Reply #159 |
201. You mention the amount of money he had, what he lacked was time. |
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NYCGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 07:38 PM Response to Reply #159 |
207. Here's an interesting piece on the front-loading from the Boston Globe: |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 09:11 PM Response to Reply #207 |
223. That's a good article |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 06:18 PM Response to Reply #148 |
158. Wrong. 6 against 1. |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 06:23 PM Response to Reply #158 |
163. Which has nothing to do with the calendar |
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greenohio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 07:02 PM Response to Reply #158 |
193. Now c'mon |
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NYCGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 07:26 PM Response to Reply #193 |
203. Not only a candidate, but at one point, the front runner. |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 07:42 PM Response to Reply #203 |
208. Isn't that almost funny |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 06:21 PM Response to Reply #134 |
162. Clinton did not have 5 candidates and a former president against him. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 05:56 PM Response to Original message |
150. Let's put those quotes in context... painful as that might be for YOU. |
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Zensea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 06:15 PM Response to Reply #150 |
157. Thanks |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 06:20 PM Response to Reply #150 |
161. Good post. Dean avoids labels. He is right. |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 06:25 PM Response to Reply #161 |
165. they can't help it Mad, |
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greenohio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 06:30 PM Response to Reply #165 |
168. Or not. |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 06:32 PM Response to Reply #168 |
171. still seeking my attention I see |
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greenohio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 06:35 PM Response to Reply #171 |
174. Hey, I gotta be me. |
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Zensea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 06:38 PM Response to Reply #168 |
177. or social engineering |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 06:28 PM Response to Reply #161 |
166. Yea .. I love it. |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 06:28 PM Response to Reply #150 |
167. I guess you missed the post where I already linked and quoted in context |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 06:32 PM Response to Reply #167 |
170. oh come on |
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greenohio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 06:35 PM Response to Reply #170 |
173. And you fell right into his trap. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 06:37 PM Response to Reply #173 |
176. Meaningful? Nope that would require discussing actual issues. |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 06:40 PM Response to Reply #173 |
179. still seeking my attention I see |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 06:36 PM Response to Reply #170 |
175. No someone starts a flame war by |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 06:39 PM Response to Reply #175 |
178. You knew what you were doing. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 06:43 PM Response to Reply #175 |
180. Deleted message |
Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 06:45 PM Response to Reply #180 |
183. name calling, like I said |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 06:46 PM Response to Reply #183 |
184. boo |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 06:34 PM Response to Reply #167 |
172. Yeah, I guess that's because it was post #137. Perhaps you'd have |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 06:50 PM Response to Reply #172 |
187. Ok, |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 06:55 PM Response to Reply #187 |
191. There is also a perception that Nader and Kucinich are "liberals" |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 06:45 PM Response to Original message |
182. Deleted message |
greenohio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 06:47 PM Response to Reply #182 |
185. Welcome to DU. |
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talk hard (549 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 06:50 PM Response to Reply #185 |
188. thanks |
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greenohio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 06:52 PM Response to Reply #188 |
189. You'll get used to it. |
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Zomby Woof (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 06:53 PM Response to Reply #182 |
190. I like your style |
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ibegurpard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 07:00 PM Response to Reply #190 |
192. Nothing like a good Dean hate |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 07:05 PM Response to Reply #192 |
194. Deleted message |
ibegurpard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 07:14 PM Response to Reply #194 |
197. We ARE mobilizing at the local level |
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Zomby Woof (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 07:23 PM Response to Reply #197 |
200. fuck the yaks |
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ibegurpard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 07:27 PM Response to Reply #200 |
204. Happy to be of service |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 07:31 PM Response to Reply #204 |
206. ROTFLMAO! |
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greenohio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 07:08 PM Response to Reply #192 |
195. Nothing like the smell of fresh |
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ibegurpard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 07:09 PM Response to Reply #195 |
196. See post #128 |
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ScreamingMeemie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 08:32 PM Response to Reply #190 |
216. Zomby, that simply isn't true. I do not deify my candidates or Democratic |
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talk hard (549 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 07:14 PM Response to Original message |
198. Ah, why was my message deleted? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 07:19 PM Response to Reply #198 |
199. Deleted message |
talk hard (549 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 07:25 PM Response to Reply #199 |
202. But what did I say that caused this? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 08:15 PM Response to Reply #202 |
210. Dean supporters are "rabid. " "cranky" Implied "insane". Goodness. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 08:37 PM Response to Reply #210 |
218. Yep, "rabid" "cranky" and implied "insane." I don't call names. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 09:02 PM Response to Reply #218 |
220. A reminder of what we are. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 08:20 PM Response to Reply #202 |
213. Dean supporters are PEOPLE, no different than supporters of any other |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 08:15 PM Response to Reply #198 |
211. First of all, I'm not a "follower" secondly Dean supporters did NOT start |
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ScreamingMeemie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 08:35 PM Response to Reply #198 |
217. Ummmmm....perhaps because Dean supporters (note: not "followers") |
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jesusq (60 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 07:29 PM Response to Original message |
205. Dean is a slightly left of center Democrat |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 08:48 PM Response to Original message |
219. Bumpity |
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quaker bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 09:02 PM Response to Original message |
221. As always, it is in the eyes of the beholder. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 09:34 PM Response to Reply #221 |
224. Progress means change. |
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225. Locking..... |
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