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lthuedk Donating Member (551 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 05:16 PM
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Will we ever get the media back on ourside?
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 05:18 PM
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1. i just call them "whores" most of the times now
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 05:18 PM
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2. When hell freezes over and
they become responsible to their country and not out for Greed.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 05:22 PM
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3. There's an ole saying in the hood
Edited on Wed Nov-24-04 05:23 PM by CatWoman
"Money talks and bullshit walks"

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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 05:24 PM
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4. "the media" should only be on the side of the truth
I don't want the media "back on our side", if it ever was on our side.

I don't want the media on the other side, covering up for their leaders and pushing their propaganda. But I don't want it parroting our talking points either, covering up for our leaders.

I want the newsmedia reporting facts without bias. I want editors distilling stories for relevance, not partisan viewpoint. I want analysis that presents intelligent critique, not kneejerk reactionism from any perspective. They may never be on my side, but at least I could say that I was on their side.
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 05:24 PM
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5. a revolution?
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MatrixEscape Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 05:25 PM
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6. They are on their own side.
Discrediting their myopic, filtered presstitution is the only way to deal with the media crisis today.

I see the media as the essential and primary tool for the manipulation of the political system now. IMHO, half of the crap we have to deal with would never have gotten off the ground if the media was doing anything resembling old-school journalism.

Flush them and resort to independent media. Hope for media reform will not come from within its boundaries and realm. It is self-creating and self-inventing based on mandates from the "owners".

Spread the word. Rinse, repeat.
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Cobalt Violet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 05:25 PM
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7. Maybe after a civil war.
Otherwise I don't think so.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 05:29 PM
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8. Media = corporate greed and bias
nt
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 05:30 PM
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9. The media was never ON our side. They used to play it fairly straight
until Bush1 satarted forcing reporters out of their jobs by complaining about them to the publishers and corporate owners. Robert Parry lost his job for pursuing Iran-Contra. Guess what? The charges were true, but he was fired anyway.

Other reporters who got too close to breakout stories on Bush and his criminal cabinet ended up DEAD. None by natural causes.

Now the media is way too intimidated and most are NOT investigative reporters, but news readers and press release note takers.
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Mutley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 05:33 PM
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10. ended up dead?
wow... do you have any articles on this?
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lthuedk Donating Member (551 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 05:38 PM
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11. Its a cartoon...
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 11:48 AM
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15. Danny Casolaro was NOT a cartoon and ignorance is NOT bliss.
Edited on Thu Nov-25-04 11:56 AM by blm
.Frankly, if you can make such a comment, then it explains the absurd wording of your original question. The media has NEVER been on our side and only duped wingnuts believe it ever was.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 11:47 AM
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14. You never heard of Inslaw?
Edited on Thu Nov-25-04 11:53 AM by blm
Sorry, but if you never heard of Inslaw, you don't understand how the Bush family operates.

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/1.01/inslaw.html

>>>>>>>
Both said the man had visited Inslaw in February 1983 for a presentation of PROMIS, Inslaw's bread-and-butter legal software. Hamilton, who knew the purpose of the line-up, identified the visitor as Dr. Ben Orr. At the time of his visit, Orr claimed to be a public prosecutor from Israel.
Orr was impressed with the power of PROMIS (Prosecutors Management Information Systems), which had recently been updated by Inslaw to run on powerful 32-bit VAX computers from Digital Equipment Corp. "He fell in love with the VAX version," Hamilton recalled.

Dr. Orr never came back, and he never bought anything. No one knew why at the time. But for Hamilton, who has fought the Department of Justice (DOJ) for almost 10 years in an effort to salvage his business, once his co- workers recognized the man in the second photo, it all made perfect sense.
For the second photo was not of the mysterious Dr. Orr, it was of Rafael Etian, chief of the Israeli defense force's anti-terrorism intelligence unit. The Department of Justice sent him over for a look at the property they were about to "misappropriate," and Etian liked what he saw. Department of Justice documents record that one Dr. Ben Orr left the DOJ on May 6, 1983, with a computer tape containing PROMIS tucked under his arm.

What for the past decade has been known as the Inslaw affair began to unravel in the final, shredder-happy days of the Bush administration. According to Federal court documents, PROMIS was stolen from Inslaw by the Department of Justice directly after Etian's 1983 visit to Inslaw (a later congressional investigation preferred to use the word "misappropriated"). And according to sworn affidavits, PROMIS was then given or sold at a profit to Israel and as many as 80 other countries by Dr. Earl W. Brian, a man with close personal and business ties to then-President Ronald Reagan and then-Presidential counsel Edwin Meese.

A House Judiciary Committee report released last September found evidence raising "serious concerns" that high officials at the Department of Justice executed a pre-meditated plan to destroy Inslaw and co-opt the rights to its PROMIS software. The committee's call for an independent counsel have fallen on deaf ears. One journalist, Danny Casolaro, died as he attempted to tell the story (see sidebar), and boxes of documents relating to the case have been destroyed, stolen, or conveniently "lost" by the Department of Justice.
But so far, not a single person has been held accountable.
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Mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 05:49 PM
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12. If people stop letting the media do their thinking for them, maybe the
media will begin to lose revenue because people are tuning them out. I know I am not watching the "news" anymore. If more people were like me they would have to change or disappear.
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Ducks In A Row Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 05:51 PM
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13. only when we have the money and power to hang over their heads
liket the rethugs have done for years.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 11:58 AM
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16. there are three categories of media vermin
1. The true whores. Buttered up, hairsprayed readers or has-been politicos who will smilingly suck at the diseased neocon root of the VRWC in exchange for their six-figure salary and their place on the "insider" dinner party invite list.

2. Disinformation specialists in the employ of the neocon "wing" (now about all that's left, so I guess it's no longer a "wing") of the CIA and other "national security" agencies, who have infiltrated the media. Read Robert Parry's "Lost History" for a great overview of how the neocons turned the US disinformation apparatus against the American public.

3. The functionaries of the VRWC "thinktanks," who are charged with providing the neocon message, usually on the talking head screaming matches hosted by either a true whore or by a disinformation specialist.

They all must be eliminated before we can trust a word we hear or read again.
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PrisonerLazy8 Donating Member (88 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 12:28 PM
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17. Would you settle for the media being 100% neutral?
I would.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 12:35 PM
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18. "Corporate Media" is just that. They are on their side, unalterably and
forever. It's their nature.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 10:32 AM
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19. Can you please explain when and why you claim the media was on our side?
Edited on Fri Nov-26-04 10:33 AM by blm
If it ever had been, then the public would have seen a fullscale expose on IranContra, BCCI, Iraqgate and the S&L scandals, all of which were CRIMES against the Constitution. And no BUSH or Bush crony would EVER have been able to gain power ever again.
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