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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 10:34 AM
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What would Rush do?
Edited on Thu Nov-25-04 11:26 AM by norml
What did he do on the days after Bill Clinton won twice? Well he certainly didn't self destruct,wondering if he,and his had somehow driven voters away. He was laughing. Of course it's all part of the shtick that he,and his are always positive,and the opposition is always negative,but he was laughing. He giggles more than most,as buzzed pill heads often do,but there is a serious point in this. The point is all of the fun that we can now have with exposing,and making fun of Bush,the republicans,and the movement that calls itself conservative. The election was so very close for running against a sitting war time President. The election was so close for having to run against their propaganda machine,with all it's insults,misrepresentations,and outright lies running 24/7 on all of their media outlets. We are better organized,networked,and unified than we were before. Our ability to get a message out through our media is much better than it was before. There is so much more material that we've gathered to use against them. They will give us so much more material to use. Now is not the time to lay down,and let them walk all over us as we try to find ways to appeal to them. That is what they want us to do,to just go away. Many who voted republican will be having buyer's regret. That regret can be built upon. At the moment we have no candidate to worry about needing to softening their message. Now is not the time to soften our message. Now is not the time to abandon our people who've been speaking out. Did the republicans abandon Rush,and the rest when they lost to Bill Clinton? Now is the time to make fun of the republicans,the conservatives,their media,and their mistakes without mercy. It is also time to make fun of the red states,so that those living in the uncool red states will want to identify more with the cool blue states. Does Rush ever hesitate to call stupid those living in the blue states? Does he ever hesitate to give those living in the blue states every negative personal characteristic? We've got to make their brand of conservatism so uncool in the public mind that no one will ever want to buy into it ever again. Of course remember to say that there are some good people living in those red states,who wish that their state was blue. That's what Rush would do.
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cruadin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 10:45 AM
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1. I think you're right. Humor derived from...
well targeted ridicule can be a very potent political weapon. I have often felt that a big part of the problem that we progressives have is in framing the debate.
We allow the other side not only to set the agenda, but also to define the terms of the debate. That forces us into a RE-active position which, politically speaking, is always a position of weakness.
We can deplore the tactics of our enemies, but we must also learn from them, and when the weapons in their arsenal are effective, we should adopt them as our own.
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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 12:23 PM
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7. You've got it! Well targeted ridicule can be a very potent political weapon
And they do present us with us so much to ridicule.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 03:41 PM
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18. the RW does it well
While most people are pro-environment, they ridicule the radical environmentalists by calling them "tree-huggers" and even liberals like me can picture some child of the 60s chaining themself to a tree to prevent a bulldozer from knocking it down...

And, while my wonderment at ERA not passing was one of my earliest political memories, calling some radical feminists "femi-nazis" evokes a certain image of a woman in uniform barking orders at a subservient & fearful male/husband...

While these images are exaggerations, there is enough in there that makes people think about it when an environmentalist or feminist comes on TV to speak - oh, is he one of those tree huggers? Or, is she one of those feminists that hate men and puts her career before her children?

Unfortunately, words like these have been repeated so often for so long - to go with the fact that we haven't effectively rebutted the images - that they have sunk into the mainstream and are there to stay for the foreseeable future.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 10:47 AM
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2. You want us to make fun of people who live in Nebraska? NT
NT
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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 11:01 AM
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4. Yes,I definitely want you to make fun of people living in Nebraska.
But give those people living in Nebraska a chance to escape their shame by striving to make their red state,and themselves more blue. I'm sick of the people on our side who don't understand how this sort of thing works. Kissing red state ass is for losers. Does Rush kiss blue state ass? Get with it! Yes,please make fun of my red state,as long as I know you're not making fun of me,it works!
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 07:39 PM
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14. Over at sorryeverybody.com
Some of my favorites are when the person in a red state posts a picture of their state, and then points proudly to the itty bitty, teeny tiny blue county. "That's MY county," they say proudly.

I went over to look at the livejournal blog of a Texas college girl I stumbled on a while back. She likes old photos, comics, drawing cartoons, being a geek, and asking if dead people from history are "hot or not."

And bless her Texas heart, she also voted Kerry. Her after-election entry had a picture she'd drawn of herself leaving the planet, saying fuck you with both her hands in both American and British.

The next day she had a post about it being okay to be sad today, but that tomorrow it was education time. "We now know exactly where half the country need educating. Let's use that as a positive, shall we?"

The youth are coming up, and they are more political than the youth have been in decades. We've just done the 1968 routine. Look out for "1972." Lefties will abound.
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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 03:09 AM
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15. We must have sympathy for those blue voters living in red states
while at the same time making fun of the red states,and the red voters.
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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 02:17 PM
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26. No, Minnesota.
(C'mon, we kid because we love.) :)
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cloud75 Donating Member (737 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 10:57 AM
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3. rush
we should sit back and watch them self destruct...continue to remind rebublicans that they own the three branches of government and if this gets worse (at home and abroad) it is there fault and the country will have no choice but to make changes in future elections.
what we need are strong leaders who can get through the demonazation of the right winged media. john kerry was a fine candidate he just fell into right wing traps. we also need some sort of media outlet for out ideas...everywhere i go i hear right wing talking points it was never like that before they control the airwaves. our ideas are awesome if people hear them from us not the right winged media. example: we say after school program right winged media call it another government hand out. (sorry this is so long i'm new to this and have a lot to say this is an awesome site! i give thanks to du)
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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 11:07 AM
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5. You get it. You said that very well. And welcome to DU!
We're glad you made it! I see this as an opportunity to educate about,and take down their whole rotten movement. For those who've wished they could've been in the struggles of the 60s,here they are again,maybe even bigger than before. Enjoy!
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 12:12 PM
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6. Kick
:kick:

RL
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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 04:42 PM
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8. Thank you for the kick! Here's one right back at you.
Every time this thread sinks,I'm going to kick it again,and I won't stop until it flames.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 06:06 PM
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10. Retro, add Widowmaker to your gif
It's the only one that's missing, I think.

Just und suggestion.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 06:05 PM
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9. They do keep repeating that Dems will be more and more marginalized
Doomsaying us, hoping we will believe it.

But I already see cat-herding problems within their ranks. They're not all that solid, and the hate-mongers have no one to hate but themselves, since the current situation can be blamed on no one but themselves.

I agree. Very well said. They want us divided, questioning, demoralized. Luckily all we need is one good picture of Furious George, and we're back on top again. We need to keep those caption threads coming by the way. Hysterical, seriously hysterical. And some of us wanted THAT for a president? When "Mr. Presidential" was standing right beside him. Geez.

I'll grant you, Kerry has a clunker picture here and there too. But Bush is like a dopey picture factory, one right after another.

Bush is at LEAST as easy to parody if not more than Nixon. This won't be hard. Perhaps we need more standup comics on the front lines of this war, eh?
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JennC Donating Member (115 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 06:21 PM
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11. Conveniently we have Jon Stewart!
None better thus far at a comical but telling look at the Bush administration.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 07:32 PM
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12. The Onion was surprisingly funny yet pointed as well
Like "Men in Black" sometimes the better news sources were these oddball little publications.
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BlueManDude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 07:36 PM
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13. of course he was laughing - he was stoned n/t
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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 02:21 PM
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16. "Some of my best friends have been giggling pill heads."
Is a line I used when referring to Rush on one of the local AM radio stations.
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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 03:15 PM
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17. I edited,shortened,and fixed it up a bit. This version is better.




What would Rush do?


What did he do on the days after Bill Clinton won twice? Well he
certainly didn't self destruct,wondering if he,and his had somehow
driven voters away. He was laughing. Of course it's all part of the
shtick that he,and his are always positive,and the opposition is
always negative,but he was laughing. He giggles more than most,as
buzzed pill heads often do,but there is a serious point in this. The
point is all of the fun that we can now have with exposing,and making
fun of Bush,the republicans,and the movement that calls itself
conservative. The election was so very close for running against a
sitting war time President. The election was so close for having to
run against their propaganda machine,with all it's
insults,misrepresentations,and outright lies running 24/7 on all of
their media outlets. We are better organized,networked,and unified
than we were before. Our ability to get a message out through our
media is much better than it was before. There is so much more
material that we've gathered to use against them. They will give us
so much more material to use. Now is not the time to lay down,and let
them walk all over us as we try to find ways to appeal to them. That
is what they want us to do. Many who voted republican will be having
buyer's regret. That regret can be built upon. At the moment we have
no candidate to worry about needing to softening their message. Now
is not the time to soften our message. Now is not the time to abandon
our people who've been speaking out. Did the republicans abandon
Rush,and the rest when they lost to Bill Clinton? Now is the time to
make fun of the republicans,the conservatives,their media,and their
mistakes without mercy. It is also time to make fun of the red
states,and those who voted red. Does Rush ever hesitate to call those living in the blue states stupid? Does he ever hesitate to give
those living in the blue states every negative personal
characteristic? We've got to make their brand of conservatism so
uncool in the public mind that no one will want to buy into it ever
again. Of course remember to say that there are some good blue voting
people living in those red states,who wish that their state was a
cool blue state. That's what Rush would do.






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dogman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 04:13 PM
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19. But can we lie our ass off?
It seems disregard of the truth and facts made his job easier. Especially when he has ditto-heads who don't see either of those items as being important to discussion.
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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 06:46 PM
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21. We neither have to or want to lie. We can infuriate them with the truth.
I've noticed they lie even when they don't have to. I believe this is done to be even more irritating to those who know better. This is because you have no way to answer back or correct them. You can say outrageous things to outrage them though without having to lie. We must always be factual. Selectivity of facts though can be a very fun,and very infuriating game to play.
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Bullshot Donating Member (807 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 05:28 PM
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20. He went on an OxyContin spree and lost hearing in his left ear.
Which explains why he only hears things from the right.

Seriously, Rush's actions are only a reflection of the far-right's move to turn up the rhetoric up several notches and saturate the airwaves with smearing liberals and talking up conservatives.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 06:52 PM
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23. And the GOP leaders do it too.
That is the difference. Our leaders do not reflect the feelings of our base.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 06:51 PM
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22. The difference is that the GOP actually listens to their base.
You can listen to Rush and know EXACTLY what the average Repub voter AND politican thinks.

Contrast this w/ DU or Air America- you will NEVER here actual prominent DEMS being blunt about GOP corruption- they are too scared.

DEMS refuse to listen to their base- they are more concerned about what Judy Woodruff, Bill Frist and "swing voters" think.
The Republicans go out of their way on the other hand to make sure their ditto-head base gets their red meat.

That is the difference- the GOP actually has real leaders who listen to their base. We do not.
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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 12:34 PM
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25. The base is everything. They must be served!
I hope that at least the callers on Air America are being blunt about the GOP corruption. Most politicians are too timid to carry the weight. We must continue to build the sort of media that will carry the weight for them. We must continue to support what real leaders we have. And we must lead!
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 07:07 PM
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24. Why ISN'T he in jail? With Florida mandatory sentencing,
he needs to go straight to JAIL. Do not pass go. Do not collect all those zeros on his paycheck.

Oh, I forgot. He's got a loop-hole (is it hold or hole, never been arrest like Lush Rush, so I don't know) seeking lawyer, you know, the kind he doesn't want Democrats to have.
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