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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 12:13 PM
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Do you find this election theft article credible?
Saudis, Enron money helped pay for US rigged election

By Wayne Madsen
Online Journal Contributing Writer

November 25, 2004—According to informed sources in Washington and Houston, the Bush campaign spent some $29 million to pay polling place operatives around the country to rig the election for Bush. The operatives were posing as Homeland Security and FBI agents but were actually technicians familiar with Diebold, Sequoia, ES&S, Triad, Unilect, and Danaher Controls voting machines. These technicians reportedly hacked the systems to skew the results in favor of Bush.

The leak about the money and the rigged election apparently came from technicians who were promised to be paid a certain amount for their work but the Bush campaign interlocutors reneged and some of the technicians are revealing the nature of the vote rigging program.

There have been media reports from around the country concerning the locking down of precincts while votes were being tallied. In one unprecedented action in Warren County, Ohio, election officials locked down the facility where votes were being counted. The officials said this was in response to a Level 10 high-threat terrorist warning being issued by the Department of Homeland Security and the FBI for Warren County. George Bush won 72 percent of the vote in Warren County, much larger than his percentage of victory statewide.

The money to rig the election in favor of Bush reportedly came from an entity called Five Star Trust, largely based in Houston but a worldwide entity that is directly tied to the Saudi Royal Family. Five Star Trust was termed "a well-protected vehicle" that has been used to support both Bush and Osama bin Laden in the US and around the world.

http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/112504Madsen/112504madsen.html
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teach1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 12:14 PM
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1. Comparable discussion here...
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 12:15 PM
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2. hey, thanks!!!!!
all of these new forums take a little getting used to!!

:hi:
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PrisonerLazy8 Donating Member (88 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 12:27 PM
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3. It's only as credible as the unnamed "informed sources"
It depends on just who these "informed sources" are.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 12:30 PM
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4. Yup. Right now it's just juicy gossip.
But I can understand if the sources are a trifle worried about their health.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 12:35 PM
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5. Agreed.
I still believe deep in my heart that James Hatfield was murdered.

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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 02:11 PM
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11. it would make sense why Warren county would need to
be shut down that night as per Homeland Security. I wonder if any of the media filmed anyone wearing Homeland Security logos and if so if they could be ID'd by the agency or the FBI, it would be great to get someone on film with official looking creds who was actually on the DRE maker payroll.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 12:35 PM
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6. Didn't the Saudis own the military vote company for a while?
Haven't read the full article, but I remember discussing this here a year or so ago?
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NV Whino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 12:46 PM
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7. I haven't read the entire article, but
Wayne Madsen is usually reliable. Not to mention the fact that don't doubt these guys will stop at nothing to maintain control.
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rdmccur Donating Member (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 01:45 PM
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8. fraud
Yep. Have anyone else read "House of Bush, House of Saud" by Craig Unger? This article needs to be sent out the Olbermann for starters.
Anyone know his e-mail?
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 01:48 PM
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9. KOlbermann@msnbc.com
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 02:09 PM
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10. this happened in Gaston county, sh*t is hitting the fan...
they got busted having a Diebold tech working on the machines who everyone thought was a poll worker. Suddenly the election director is on a "medical leave", and it sounds worse every day for this county. Dr. David Dill say we have the worst system in the country in NC, and Gaston county REALLY has some suspicious stuff going on, in this article Page admits holding back needed voting machines despite long lines at polls:

"The day began with an unexpected appearance by four poll workers from three precincts who asked to speak with Wright's team. They said they had not received the support they needed from Page and in particular, that they needed more voting machines.

After talking with Page, Wright said it seemed clear that she had kept some voting machines at the elections office despite long lines at polling places. Page acknowledged doing so, but once again said she could not explain the decision."

http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/news/10259601.htm

also from link:

"The state team set out to investigate five major issues in Gaston: the county's failure to reconcile the number of ballots with the number of voters; 14,000 votes omitted from the county's unofficial results; a disparity in the recount of curbside ballots; the role played by subcontractors on Election Day; and problems with the recording of early votes.

I'll try to find the link about the Diebold tech working on machines...
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 02:19 PM
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12. Here's the article about the Diebold tech.
(the state has launched an investigation into Gaston and Carteret counties, in Carteret it is because the boe was told the machines could hold 10,000 votes, in reality it was only 3500, so 4500 votes were lost)

"In Gaston, the state also will investigate whether a technician employed by a private company did work on Election Day that should have been done by elections officials.

The Gaston Board of Elections paid for the presence of a technician from Diebold Election Systems, which manufactures the county's voting machines.

Gaston Elections Director Sandra Page has told the Observer that the employee loaded the county's early votes onto a computer and otherwise assisted in the vote-counting process, a job reserved for elections officials.

"We don't want that technician to do anything that is the responsibility of an election official," Bartlett said. "If you have some technician doing that, there better be some election official right beside them."

http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/news/breaking_news/10220215.htm

(Gary Bartlett is North Carolina's state elections director; our sec. of state in this state doesn't run elections. He is also one of the "Fraudulent Five", one of four directors who, along with head honcho R. Doug Lewis, who run "The Election Center" that stinky little entity that is on the dole from DRE and op. scan makers, yet who train sboe's and poll workers nationwide and recommend which equipment to use for HAVA regs. Stinky, stinky, stinky.
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