So Would You Support Colin Powell If He Became the Democrats Nominee?

Just curious. I don't think there is anyone the Republicans could field that would stand a chance against him. He claims to be liberal on social issues and was reluctant about invading Iraq behind the scenes from what I've heard (although he did become Bush's front man in making the case, I never got the sense that he was sold on this particular adventure).

Not trying to stir up the whole "Democrats don't have to poach Republicans to win" debate, just curious how everyone would react if he decided to run as a Democrat.

He'd have to issue his own manifesto of why he's changed and in detail.

I hope God has something nasty in store for him.

... and I HATE that!

Powell was my idol. He was the guy I thought could save this country from the shithole Bush was going to put us in. At one time (about 2 years ago) I even considered voting for Bush just to keep Powell's voice involved in the decision making process in DC.

His single biggest mistake was becoming a Republican and his 2nd was not kicking Bush's and Gore's asses in 2000.

But that said, I don't know if I could support him today. Rove and Bush DESTROYED Powell's future. I hate that.

I used to adore and admire him.

He's proven himself to be a goddamn lying patsy.

I have zero respect for him, and could never, ever support him.

And even tho I shouldn't compare him to his son, Michael Powell's actions have made me feel the exact same way about him.

I don't know which Powell has done more to destroy America, they're both the lowest form of CENSORED!

that at the rehearsal for the UN speech, Powell had a hissy fit throwing papers in the air saying that the stuff Bush wanted him to read was "Bulls**t", in was in a early june 2003 issue of US News and World Report. Personally I look at him as the only decent member of the Administration, and If he became a Democrat I'll probably vote for him.

Should we consider him better than the others, just because he knew it was wrong? Oh yes, I did work hard to ensure that the United States immediately invaded Iraq, but I did feel bad about it!

I'd still have a modicum of respect for him if he had quit over that. But no, he went right ahead and played messenger boy for craphead. Blood is on Powell's hands.

I don't think so. Not Ankle-Grabber McCain either.

NGU.

Never did you see his wife with him when he was any where near that war criminal Bush. I wonder why?????

She was with him in the front row at the debates, with the Bush girls.

She was at the convention.

She had dinner with the Bushes the nite before the debates in Arizona.

Why do people post "theories" as fact?

ever trust that he would ever stand up for any principle again? He helped send all those young people off to die in Iraq by his actions. I wouldn't spit on him if he were on fire.

I might piss just to the left of hime and make him crawl towards my piss!

a policy stooge. We need a leader

I would have been tempted to switch over and vote for him. But my respect for the man and what he can do has gone way way down.

As for him running as a Democrat--please. The man is a Republican. If the Democrats are so desperate that they feel they only have a chance to win by running Powell, they might as well change their name to GOP Lite and give the name to the progressives like Kucinch or folks like Dean who can show real contrast with the reich wing.

Powell was a Republican....who has a son who is running the FCC like Goebel's propaganda ministry.

Powell showed cartoons to the U.N. and attempted to sell them the Iraq War.

Powell did not resign at a crucial time that would have helped tip the election in the Democrat's favor.

Powell's no Democrat!

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No way.

He had his fraud in full mode in 2000. Every body bought the man above it all sthick. But now we now him for what he really is and Harry Bellafonte nailed it much better then I could ever say. I'd vote for Harry Bellafonte before that war Criminla Powell!

he's a liar and the repukes know it

Every time Powell had a chance to do what was right, he did what was wrong. Every time. He never lets Bush down. Screw Powell.

Of course, one is as likely as the other, so it's really a silly conversation.

When it's time, it's time. For Colin, it's time.

dishonest and his priorities are misplaced. What's to support?

Initial investigations of the My Lai incident were undertaken by the 11th Brigade's Commanding Officer, Colonel Oran Henderson, under orders from Americal's Assistant Commanding Officer, Brigadier General Young. Henderson interviewed several of the soldiers involved in the incident, then issued a written report in late April claiming that approximately 20 civilians were inadvertantly killed during the military operation in My Lai. The army at this time was still describing the event as a military victory resulting in the death of 128 of the enemy.

Six months later a young soldier of the 11th Light Infantry (The Butcher's Brigade) named Tom Glen, wrote a letter accusing the Americal division (and other entire units of the U.S. military, not just individuals) of routine brutality against Vietnamese civilians; the letter was detailed, its allegations horrifying, and its contents echoed complaints received from other soldiers. COLIN POWELL, then a young US Army Major, was charged with investigating the massacre. Powell wrote: "In direct refutation of this portrayal is the fact that relations between American soldiers and the Vietnamese people are excellent." Later, Powell's refutation would be called an act of "white-washing" the news of the Massacre, and questions would continue to remain undisclosed to the public.

The media let Powell lie to us. The French media disassembled Powell's UN presentation the same day...while the American media were all aglow with the genius of Colin and his cartoons.

Our media combine a lazy attitude with mendacious behavior.

I was and continue to be for Clark. Bonne chance!!!

would I support him, He has proved himself to be a liar and someone how will do anything to advance himself and, apparently, his children.

Oops, I still wouldn't vote for him.

But hey, I *did* get him to chop off his hand...WOOT!

he cut off his pecker which is probably a usless falcid appendage not unlike his spine!

repuke against repuke. The point is to effect change.

That's about all though!

that !

I once admired and looked up to him, but my opinion has been seriously tainted by the last four years. Had enough integrity been there to resign before now, resign on priciple instead of when it was politically expedient (post-election), I might feel differently. But I've lost almost all respect for him.

I say almost, because there will likely be a tell-all book to come out from Powell. I'll reserve final judgment until then I guess, but I seriously don't see myself ever supporting him, certainly not enough to vote for him over several other proven life-long democrats.

He blew all traces of his integrity and credibility.

He never had a conscience. Becoming a Democrat wouldn't convince me he had one.

COLIN POWELL, then a young US Army Major, was charged with investigating the massacre. Powell wrote: "In direct refutation of this portrayal is the fact that relations between American soldiers and the Vietnamese people are excellent."

Once a Liar for the Man always a liar for the man. My opinion of Powell is almost lower then my opinion of Bush. At least Bush has an excuse he is a spoiled rich punk...Powell saw life from the side that is abused by the rich punks and choose to jump the fence and forget about the folks he grew up with. Remember his speech to the 2000 Republican convention "scolding" the repubs for being for corporate welfare and against human wlefare. He was jsut giving Bush a hand job after all! He sucks!

He was in charge of investigating a letter. The letter wasn't about My Lai and the soldier who wrote it had nothing to do with My Lai. The letter wasn't "detailed", it made no reference to any particular place or any time or any date or any particular unit.

Powell should be criticized for how he handled that investigation, but he wasn't involved in the My Lai cover-up.

He has destroyed any credibility that he ever had and is nothing but a sorry emabarrassment. Why don't we just go all the way and nominate Jeb?

bring about a "Dream Team" like this:

President: Powell
VP: McCain

While both moderates, they are also both Republicans. The prerequisite for any Democratic candidates would have to be that neither had voted for the Chimp evah, much less two times.

Not that it would ever happen. But -- no. After the Bush Regime made him its bitch and he lied through his teeth to the U.N.? I. Don't. Think. So. Nononononono. Never, Nohow.

...being the Democratic nominee. I could handle Wes Clark, and there are others "on our side" recently converted that have been an asset (Arianna, David Brock), but Powell. No, not interested in running a war criminal to get the votes of knuckledraggers that wouldn't vote for him anyway.

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Would I support anyone who knowingly stood in front of the UN and lied about WMD? No.

Powell's son is the psycho-fascist who's running over the public interest with the FCC right? I have a hard time seeing where the benifit is in supporting someone who's main job has been the frontman of the Bush cabinet for 4 years and who raised such a sterling example of the neocon movement as his son.

Why exactly do people like this guy again? What did he every do that made us think he was an ok sorta fella?

Not a chance. Two faced bastard can stay with the side he chose.

No (beep) Way.

"If the Republicans invaded Hell, I would have a kind word about Satan in Letters to the Editor"

Yes, I would support Colin Powell over the Republican puppet they'll nominate in 2008. I will say nice things about him, and minimize his faults, because getting the NeoCons out of power is more important to me than purity of purpose.

In my "Oliver Stone'ish" look into fmr. Sec. Powell future, I'd say he would've run on the republican ticket in '96 had he not been afraid of something in his past...and in 2008 those fears will still be there.

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and then they would :puke: it up.

and baring of his soul, along with a real pit bull attack on his former partners / masters before I would even consider him human again.

and he'd have more credibility. He'd have more ethics. He'd be more believable.

Now as far as Colin, there's a small apartment downtown Portland where all kinds of desultory things go on. He can check in there....

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How can you be for Powell without knowing where he stands on any issue beyond the war and affirmative action? You can, however, be against him based on his record on the war and his record as a lick-spittle.

I don't make a habit of supporting people who knowingly tell lies to the UN to gain support for illegal wars.

The man KNEW and CONTINUES to know what was going on behind the scenes, at least in regards to the lies about the Iraq War, and he did and said NOTHING. No way would I ever support someone like that.

Perhaps before he got tangled up in politics the first time, but even then, I'm pretty sure his military records would have leaked and I would have been sceptical. Now? He's nothing but a sycophantic bootlicker. He sold his integrity to the Bushies. I don't want a candidate without integrity - if I did, I'd have supported Bush.

...this country. Last time I checked, those were the guys we're battling.

yer wantin' to try out before taking it on stage?

Sorry that was very crass of me but really, colin powell? :eyes:
BIG Maaaaaybe:freak:then. Certainly Not Now. Nor in the Future!

He may have not have been sold on this particular adventure but he DID sell out, didn't he!

It would still take some Maalox or Vicadin to make me pull the lever for Powell. He has lost all credibility. At least the sandwich can't lie about WMD in Iraq... :P

screw him, the big fat weak spined bad liar.

nose and vote for him.

I dislike him and would never support him in the primaries but if it were between him and most of the likely Repug candidates I would vote for him.

As though you just put on the uniform. As though the two parties are more or less the same. As though it doesn't make much difference so long as we win. Why don't we run Tom Delay? - as a Democrat, I mean.

That phrase "as a Democrat" says so much about what is wrong.

NT!

"There's no F in WAY."

That's right...there's no effin' way!

Please, no more effin repukes on the Democratic ticket! No McCain, Zinni, Ahnold, Lieberman, Bayh... enough, already!

He is a liar just like his "boss".

lies.

Colin Powell is a weak, butt-kissing sycophantic Bush enabler. He is the ultimate flip-flop. There is nothing to gain by nominating him, since he will does not appeal to the right (too black) and he is repugnant to the left (warmongerer).

I wouldn't piss up his ass if his guts were on fire.

Colin Powell makes me sad.

I keep wondering if he lied intentionally at the UN, or was he using "doctored info" that had been given to him.

He was against the war, but I think he felt it would be wrong to resign. I think he believed he could be a moderating influence.

The Bush team is destructive to our country, & to people working for our country.

Powell, Valerie Pflame & husband Joe Wilson, Richard Clarke, Paul O'Neill, George Tenet, CIA purges, & on.

the Democratic Party nominated a totally discredited moral coward like Colin Powell it would be a sure sign that they had become as irrelevant as the the Greenback Party.

He could have been among the great secrataries of state, like William Jennings Bryant, who quit when they disagreed with the president going to war... but he chose to shut up so he could keep his salary. I'd still vote for him, because I think he would be a great president, even as a Republican.

I could't believe what he said anymore.

as much of a liar as Bush. Even more so, because he once was a man of integrity.

To paraphase Maya Angelou...
If someone tells you who he is, BELIEVE HIM THE FRIST TIME.

Hmmm... I think I leave the typo in... ;-)

He sold out to Bush and is just another whore. He went to the U.N. to be Adali Stevenson and ended up as Bozo the Clown.

Give me a freakin break, a lying piece of shit Republican is the best the dems can do?

..party can offer, is a Republican to run for the head of OUR party, then we are in far worse shape then we can imagine. Hell, we might as well disolve this party and start over with another one. But it certainly would be a boom for the Greens. The day our party goes to putting up Republican candidates, is the day I go Green, and I would imagine, a good third to half the party too.

If Powell had wanted to be President, he would have run as a Republican for VP or against Bush in 2000. He will NEVER be a Democrat and who the hell wants him anyway!

:rolleyes:

his involvement in the war of aggression against Iraq makes him suitable for only one thing, the defendant's table at The Hague.

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Not only is he reichwing tool he'd be a wolf in sheep's clothing.

PNAC didn't just drop out of the blue, it is but one manifestation of a plan that has been long in the making. In 1992, Powell was part of a group that worked on these ideas of imperialism. Powell believes in "subtle" imperialism, that is his only disagreement with this gang of thieves. Read "Gag Rule."

Do not expect any tell-all book from Colin.

His tenure as Secretary of State has been such a dismal embarrassment that I no longer am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

The Milgram experiments demonstrated that although individuals are very often willing to torture innocent people if ordered to do so, these same people will almost always cease action and leave if they observe an authority figure rejecting the order.

When Colin Powell was in such a position of authority that he could have turned the course of the war, he became one of its most active advocates. Despite his voiced knowledge of how this would probably transpire, he worked harder than anyone else to ensure that the Iraq invasion would happen as soon as possible, including that humiliatingly weak presentation before the United Nations and his presence on dozens of TV programs.

Are you suggesting that we might consider his participation to be excusable because Powell knew what he was doing was wrong?

Reminds me of the Einsatzgruppen commander who protests in court that although he ordered the reprisal murders on the Eastern Front, he did feel bad about it.

I know that I'm not the only one who feels this way: I would have given anything, for the power to stop this illegitimate and unjustified use of military force. It would have been worth terrible personal loss and suffering just to save the lives of Iraqi children and fathers and mothers.

Yet Colin Powell is a wealthy and independent man, for whom a secure early retirement was the worst possible consequence of taking a stand. It was inexcusable cowardice to reject such a great opportunity and I will never forget it.

but I think he knew what he was doing and knew it was wrong. He's going to spend the rest of his life knowing he has the blood of thousands of innocent people on his hands. I wonder if he'll be able to sleep at night..

...good at night. Probably sleeps like a baby.

Lying asshole.

End of story.

Besides, if he ran for President on the Democratic ticket, a freeper would probably try to kill him. That's why his family didn't want him to run when the GOP approached him in the past. They feared for his life.

...as to why someone with 14 posts wouild put together such a thread. Knowing that Powel is Republican and Black...could it be that you were attempting put together a flame thread where disruptors could have a great time?

And what's to stop 'republicans' from adding their own insulting remarks to make DU look bad? These supposedly innocent question threads tend to divide us more than bring us together.

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maimed. Support??

moderates to vote for him in the general election because he is a black man. And he wouldn't be able to get enough liberals to vote for him because of his history of being a Quisling.

I always thought he was a media creation--a "safe" African-American who always does the Man's bidding.

The last thing we need in 2008 is an empty suit.

NO FCKING WAY not now not EVER.

Keep lying war criminals in the rightwingnut Party.

No frickin' way.

No! No! A thousand times no!!!!

I'm stunned at how many "I used to like him, but..." posts I'm seeing. Let's not forget Powell's other actions aside from the Feb 2003 UN speech:

--assisting in the cover-up of the My Lai massacre

--assisting in killing 100,000+ Iraqis in the FIRST Gulf War

--assisting in the censoring of reporting from that same war

These are just three things that made me despise Powell long ago.

Do some research, guys. He was NEVER even CLOSE to being a decent guy once he got into any position of power.

Throughout his career he has proven to be the "good soldier," i.e. will follow anyone, incapable of leading anyone.