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DesEtoiles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 03:55 PM Original message |
What finally brought an end to the Vietnam war? Media showing pictures? |
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cavanaghjam (355 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 04:01 PM Response to Original message |
1. That was certainly one factor |
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dogman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 04:03 PM Response to Original message |
2. It was more than that. |
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knowbody0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 04:13 PM Response to Original message |
3. the media as we know it will never film the revolution. |
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Viva_La_Revolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-04 12:08 AM Response to Reply #3 |
20. yep! |
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i_got_2_get_away (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-29-04 02:22 AM Response to Reply #3 |
50. Qusetion is... |
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ramapo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 04:29 PM Response to Original message |
4. The middle class didn't want their sons killed |
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LynnTheDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-04 03:12 AM Response to Reply #4 |
25. IRAQ has a higher body count than the first FIVE YEARS of Vietnam |
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Booster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-04 10:30 PM Response to Reply #25 |
39. Lynn, do you have a link that shows this statistic? I repeated it |
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LynnTheDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-29-04 02:10 AM Response to Reply #39 |
48. my error; it's more in Iraq now than first SIX YEARS in 'Nam (links) |
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Make7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-29-04 03:19 AM Response to Reply #48 |
54. Apples / Oranges |
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LynnTheDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-29-04 04:33 AM Response to Reply #54 |
55. No, it's DEATHS to DEATHS. |
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Make7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-29-04 05:48 AM Response to Reply #55 |
56. Re: Spin it any way you want, but that's a FACT. |
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LynnTheDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-29-04 05:56 AM Response to Reply #56 |
57. Fair is a weather report |
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Make7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-29-04 06:37 AM Response to Reply #57 |
58. Apples / Oranges Part II |
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LynnTheDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-29-04 07:27 AM Response to Reply #58 |
60. No dear...I was paraphrasing YOU with sarcasm. |
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Make7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-29-04 07:43 AM Response to Reply #60 |
62. par·a·phrase |
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LynnTheDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-29-04 08:34 AM Response to Reply #62 |
63. Well you just keep on defending bush's invasion. |
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T Town Jake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-29-04 12:14 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. The poster wasn't "defending bush's [Sic] invasion".... |
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LynnTheDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-29-04 10:29 PM Response to Reply #66 |
79. FACT: MORE US troops have died in 20 mths in Iraq |
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Make7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-29-04 06:26 PM Response to Reply #63 |
71. Apples to Apples? |
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Sterling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-29-04 07:29 PM Response to Reply #58 |
73. I think the point you are missing is.... |
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Make7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-29-04 09:46 PM Response to Reply #73 |
78. But it's not as bad as World War Two. |
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LynnTheDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-29-04 10:32 PM Response to Reply #73 |
80. Just like rightwingnuts, he's trying to MARGINALIZE our troops' deaths. |
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ArkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-29-04 06:39 PM Response to Reply #55 |
72. Hmmmmmmm..... |
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Mike L (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-29-04 10:45 AM Response to Reply #54 |
64. Iraq would be as bad as Vietnam if |
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Sterling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-29-04 07:32 PM Response to Reply #64 |
74. No the Iraqis has cities full of people who hate us. |
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Booster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-29-04 04:41 PM Response to Reply #48 |
70. Thanks, Lynn. Sent it on to him - very interesting article. |
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i_got_2_get_away (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-29-04 02:24 AM Response to Reply #39 |
51. I pray... |
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Lizzie Borden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 04:52 PM Response to Original message |
5. It was partly the pictures, |
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FloridaPat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 05:09 PM Response to Original message |
6. Same thing that almost brought the Civil War to and end - protests. |
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s-cubed (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 08:38 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. all of the above |
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Moonbeam_Starlight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 08:41 PM Response to Original message |
8. The peace/anti-war movement |
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zann725 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-04 12:13 PM Response to Reply #8 |
34. ...like someone named John Kerry. |
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3trievers (177 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 09:28 PM Response to Original message |
9. The draft |
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KnowerOfLogic (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 09:36 PM Response to Original message |
10. After 10+ years America got bored and tired of the war. |
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I_Love_Oregon (91 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 10:40 PM Response to Original message |
11. Primary, the draft. But Nixon and Watergate too |
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Make7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 10:57 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Source, please. |
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I_Love_Oregon (91 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 11:03 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. umm, conventional wisdom |
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Make7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 11:59 PM Original message |
I asked for a source. |
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I_Love_Oregon (91 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-04 12:24 AM Response to Original message |
21. Here you go |
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Make7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-04 02:16 AM Response to Reply #21 |
23. Contrarian wisdom |
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I_Love_Oregon (91 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-04 09:49 PM Response to Reply #23 |
38. Restated point |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-04 11:50 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. Interesting to look at the war in 1974 |
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I_Love_Oregon (91 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-29-04 01:08 AM Response to Reply #41 |
45. great post |
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Make7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-29-04 02:43 AM Response to Reply #38 |
53. Restated request. |
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I_Love_Oregon (91 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-29-04 08:46 PM Response to Reply #53 |
77. As accurate as I can find: |
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Make7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-29-04 10:45 PM Response to Reply #77 |
81. Thanks for responding. |
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I_Love_Oregon (91 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-04 12:41 AM Response to Reply #81 |
82. splittn' hairs |
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Make7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-04 04:18 AM Response to Reply #82 |
84. obtain their freedom |
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Djinn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-29-04 12:26 AM Response to Reply #15 |
44. I might have got this wrong |
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I_Love_Oregon (91 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-29-04 01:57 AM Response to Reply #44 |
46. I guess it's just a coincedence |
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Djinn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-04 06:30 PM Response to Reply #46 |
87. remind me again who |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-04 02:50 AM Response to Reply #11 |
24. No no no |
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I_Love_Oregon (91 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-29-04 02:02 AM Response to Reply #24 |
47. can think for myself |
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Djinn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-04 06:32 PM Response to Reply #47 |
88. unfortunately the vast majority of Vietnam |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-04 11:36 PM Response to Reply #11 |
40. I think you can blame Watergate |
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Make7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 10:46 PM Response to Original message |
12. The Vietnamese people. eom. |
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Donna Zen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 11:00 PM Response to Original message |
14. 3 things |
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IowaGuy (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 11:03 PM Response to Original message |
16. The country was worn out ... |
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Zomby Woof (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 11:24 PM Response to Original message |
17. everything BUT the anti-war protestors |
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DesEtoiles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-04 11:23 AM Response to Reply #17 |
27. So sitting around on your ass is your plan? |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-04 11:33 AM Response to Reply #17 |
29. If only we had put our trust in Nixon. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-04 12:21 PM Response to Reply #17 |
35. Anyone for a little revisionist history? |
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IowaGuy (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-04 12:30 PM Response to Reply #17 |
37. Rather odd analysis... |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-04 11:51 PM Response to Reply #17 |
42. The protests got much smaller |
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quaker bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-29-04 07:25 AM Response to Reply #17 |
59. You are reliable |
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T Town Jake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-29-04 12:10 PM Response to Reply #17 |
65. That pretty much sums it up - I agree... (n/t) |
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Sterling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-29-04 07:39 PM Response to Reply #17 |
75. This really is one of the worst posts I have read here. |
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missouri dem 2 (308 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 11:59 PM Response to Original message |
18. By the end of the war only 50% of draftees were showing up |
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T Town Jake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-29-04 12:21 PM Response to Reply #18 |
67. Ummmm... FYI: "the war" ended in 1975 - the draft ended in '73. (n/t) |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-04 12:06 AM Response to Original message |
19. It was pretty much over when the North took Saigon |
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hatrack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-04 12:52 AM Response to Original message |
22. Five NVA divisions moving south rapidly in the spring of 1975 |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-04 11:53 PM Response to Reply #22 |
43. But five NVA divisions |
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hatrack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-29-04 12:41 PM Response to Reply #43 |
68. You may be thinking of the 1972 Easter Offensive |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 12:10 AM Response to Reply #68 |
90. No -- I was thinking of 1974 |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-04 03:18 AM Response to Original message |
26. helicopters |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-04 11:27 AM Response to Original message |
28. Americans Grew Tired Of It Regardless Of Ideology |
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spanone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-04 11:34 AM Response to Original message |
30. FIFTY EIGHT THOUSAND DEAD AMERICAN SOLDIERS |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-04 11:37 AM Response to Reply #30 |
31. iraq's not nam but a fiasco nonetheless |
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ribrepin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-29-04 02:33 AM Response to Reply #30 |
52. By 69 or 70 |
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Sterling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-29-04 07:47 PM Response to Reply #30 |
76. Considering it is only getting worse |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-04 11:54 AM Response to Original message |
32. The Vietnamese realized that victory is not determined scorekeeping. |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-04 11:59 AM Response to Original message |
33. That was a big part of it...that so many were draftees was another factor. |
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Neshanic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-04 12:23 PM Response to Original message |
36. Protestors were part of CIA to prolong war. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-29-04 02:19 AM Response to Original message |
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T Town Jake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-29-04 03:19 PM Response to Reply #49 |
69. And what, exactly, would that be? And how is it relevant to Vietnam? n/t |
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quaker bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-29-04 07:36 AM Response to Original message |
61. That and more |
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nomatrix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-04 02:50 AM Response to Original message |
83. Nixon didn't want to "lose the war" |
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rfkrfk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-04 06:36 AM Response to Original message |
85. Congress pulled the plug on the cash... n/t |
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hollowdweller (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-04 07:11 AM Response to Original message |
86. Enough people died in Vietnam that almost everyone personally knew one |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 12:11 AM Response to Reply #86 |
91. But we left in 73 |
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bush_is_wacko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-30-04 06:38 PM Response to Original message |
89. That is why our Prez |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 02:08 AM Response to Original message |
92. No. The PTB finally tumbled to the fact that it was too expensive-- |
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