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Jon8503 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 10:17 AM
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Editorial: The new Palm Beach? - Voters' obvious intent should count
On Election Day in San Diego, more citizens went to the polls to vote for Donna Frye for mayor than for incumbent Dick Murphy. Nonetheless, when all the votes a judge ruled could be counted were counted, it was Murphy who declared victory this week. That is a travesty. The "loser," Councilwoman Donna Frye, launched her write-in candidacy just five weeks before the election. Fueled by a pension scandal that still threatens to bankrupt California's second-largest city, Frye's campaign took off.

At first, Frye appeared to have won a stunning upset. But then, after a hand count of all the ballots, Murphy led by 2,205 votes. He led only because Judge Eric Helgesen ruled that some 4,000 ballots where voters had written in Frye's name but failed to darken the oval next to her name could not be counted. That's nonsensical.

Where voter intent is clear - and intent can't be more clear than when a voter writes in a candidate's name - that intent should be respected.Evidence presented in court showed that the instructions provided to absentee voters were ambiguous. At one place the instructions said "fill in the oval completely in dark ink ... next to the candidate of your choice." But further down it says, "If you wish to vote for a write-in candidate ... write the person's name on the lines provided for the applicable races." That instruction mentions nothing about ovals.

The League of Woman Voters, which sued to force officials to count all the votes, has declined to appeal. Frye has not decided what she will do.If the ruling stands, the public in San Diego and democracy lose.
http://www.sacbee.com/content/opinion/story/11571529p-12469521c.html
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Ardee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 10:28 AM
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1. well maybe
The judge's ruling, as I understand it, was based upon State law , which superceded local laws....That law clearly noted that the oval MUST be filled in in all cases. This is more a problem with ambiguous
ballots than any example of fraudulent elections.......
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Jon8503 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 10:39 AM
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4. You Are Making The Same Arguement As The Bush Supporters Made in The Pres
Edited on Sun Nov-28-04 10:40 AM by Jon8503
elections in some cases as you just did.
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Ardee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 11:20 AM
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5. gee sorry about that
I will assume that the slur was unintended and the sloppy thinking a passing phase.

My similarity with the GOP:
1. same species
2. live under the same code of laws

My comment was the ruling of the judge in that case, his affiliation is unknown to me but he ruled on state statutes re: election laws, thus this is not an argument but a fact, a legal definition that is beyond refute. If you dont like it change the laws, but to cry wolf because I cite law, to smear me as a GOP agent because a ruling went against you and I dare note its legality is kind of silly.

Happy Holiday

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Jon8503 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 02:11 PM
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7. There was no slur, just fact , same argument made by the Bush supporters
Edited on Sun Nov-28-04 02:23 PM by Jon8503
in other cases. As far as state statutes regarding election laws, did not see any quoted by you. Read the article again, as a judge, yes he has the power to do what he did. If you can cite the law where he made his ruling then that would be ok. I don't believe in making slurs & would not like it if you did it to me. You have a right to your belief but I do as well and believe this ruling was clearly against the people.

I remember a quote when a person is shown to be wrong sometimes he gets angry. No intention to make you angry. Would prefer debates rather than your comments, believe that is more constructive.

Sorry if you took it as a slur & I had no idea you were a GOP Agent.

Thanks for the info.
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Jon8503 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 08:33 PM
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11. Deleted Forget it.
Edited on Sun Nov-28-04 09:08 PM by Jon8503
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 03:44 PM
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8. BS. If people have to be lawyers to vote then our elections are being
undermined by the folks with the power to make those laws easier on their own voters.
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SHRED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 10:33 AM
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2. Travesty

Also,
These anti-lawsuit CONservatives, here in San Diego, were sure quick to file a couple of suits when it looked as if Donna was going to win. Ultimate hypocrites!

San Diego and county(except the coastal region and inner city) are a right wing military camp. That is slowly shifting but by and large it is one big piece of shit politically.
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PrisonerLazy8 Donating Member (88 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 10:38 AM
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3. I believe in voter intent but does this pass the acid test
What if the repub was the victim of uncheckd ovals. Would we staunch Dems give them the nod when we could have our candidate instead?
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Ardee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 11:22 AM
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6. uh oh
you, too, are now on the wrong side......welcome.
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Jon8503 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 04:01 PM
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9. Republican the victim of unchecked ovals. What about the
instructions that said " But further down it says, "If you wish to vote for a write-in candidate ... write the person's name on the lines provided for the applicable races." That instruction mentions nothing about ovals.

You are worried about the ovals.
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