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Jack Bone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 12:33 PM
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It's The Economy...Stupid
Could it be so simple, again?

This is my 1st time posting a topic and it's a very general/vague overview here..I'm not citing any sources...4 give me...I just wish to start a basic discussion...and get some feed back from you as what I see to be a possibility and I haven't seen this discussed as yet...I'm sorry if it has, and I missed it..but, here goes

Is the economy why our candidate Sen. Kerry is holding off, staying in the shadows as this election count/recount/whatever else is going on..unfolds?

The US $ is hurting ..
Consumer Confidence isn't what it used to be..
Inflation could be on the horizon..

Could it be that maybe Sen. Kerry thinks a "Gore 2000" recount w/ all the media and CONSUMERS watching might send our economy into a nose-dive? This time we don't have the economic forecasts we had in 2000.

I'm just a factory worker in Indiana..I'm no stock analyst...But there HAS to be some reason why the media isn't covering these post-election vote stories, why Kerry and most of the Dem. leadership is so silent, something more than what I've read...why..why..why?

Is it the stupid economy?

any thoughts?



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m berst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 12:40 PM
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1. I don't know
What connection could there be between the economy, a Clinton campaign adviser's slogan from a few years ago, the failures of the mass media to report much in the way of news, the supposed Gore recount 2000, and what John Kerry is or isn't doing?

What connection do you see?
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Jack Bone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 12:53 PM
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2. Obviously..
I think there could be a connection...one that I feel people have missed.

Consumer confidence in a consumer driven economy during huge shopping season...i dunno?

What would the economic ramifications be to a "Gore 2000" style recount?

I think it's something to look into...
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m berst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 12:55 PM
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3. ok
But you suggested a connection between these various items. I can't see any connection. So, what connection are you seeing? Once I know what you are talking about, we can look into it.
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Jack Bone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 01:03 PM
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4. lemme try this...I'm new here
Do you feel that Kerry and the Dem Leadership are afraid that going forward w/ the recount would further hurt our economy?

I've gotta go put my daughter down 4 her nap..be back later
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m berst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 01:20 PM
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5. no way to be sure
There has been a lot of heated discussion about that. There are a variety of theories, but there is no way to know Kerry's actions or intentions with certainty.

I would think that there are some pretty massive threats to the health of the economy already. If we are worried about lost confidence in the US overseas, it seems to be that they would have more confidence, not less, anytime this administration is challenged on anything.

I don't know. Not sure what you are saying. Are you saying that failing to challenge and audit a flawed election would help the economy? How? Or that challenging it would hurt the economy?
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Jack Bone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 01:51 PM
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7. I think it might hurt..domestically
Consumer confidence....people might not go shopping, not buying things they don't need...Christmas shopping might be smaller?

I haven't heard or read anything about it...I just thought that it could play a role in how things are going.
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m berst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 07:09 PM
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13. might not go shopping?
May God have mercy on our souls.

I am worried that people might not be working, or might not be eating, or might be sent overseas and not be living to the age of 30.
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Mist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 01:50 PM
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6. Are you saying
they're (Democrats) afraid to rock the fragile economic boat? That's why they're sitting tight during an important cycle of spending? (Christmas season).
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Jack Bone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 01:53 PM
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8. yeah...
Do you think it's possible?
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Mist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 02:28 PM
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12. I think that could be part of it
AS well as he just wants to have more evidence before going public with accusations of vote rigging. "Ducks in a row." It's also possible that he just doesn't care as much as we do, so heads back to his senate job. I don't like thinking this, but time will show us....
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NinetySix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 09:07 PM
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14. 5.4% is a cooked number.
The actual unemployment rate is significantly higher than that. Among other tricks of accounting, the Government calls those who are collecting unemployment insurance benefits "the Unemployed." If your benefits have run out entirely but you are still unable to find employment, you nevertheless find yourself removed from the rolls of the unemployed.

Thus, unemployed does not mean, "without a job," but "receiving Government unemployment assistance." You can see how this might skew the numbers, and if the European countries used this kind of creative accounting, you would almost certainly see the numbers rival those of the US, and quite likely be somewhat better, given the real economic situation in the US.
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 01:57 PM
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10. I don't give a fuck about the economy if our country turns its back
on democracy.
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Lostnote03 Donating Member (850 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 02:19 PM
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11. IT'S THE KORRUPTION STUPID!!!!!!!!btw n/t
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 09:45 PM
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15. "Its the LIES and the Media who REPEATS the LIES as facts, stupid!!"
Until prominent DEMS come to grips w/ this, Repubs will continue to grow their "political capital"
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