Rangel, Young and Clark attend church together today in South Carolina

Ambassador Andrew Young, left, and Rep. Charles Rangel (news, bio, voting record), D-N.Y., center, are seated next to Democratic presidential candidate Ret. Gen. Wesley Clark (news - web sites), duirng church services, at Bible Way Church, Sunday Dec. 21, 2003, in Columbia, SC (AP Photo/Bruce L. Flashnick)

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General Wesley Clark (news - web sites) and his wife Gert join in the singing at Bible Way Church, in Columbia, S.C., Sunday, Dec. 21, 2003. Rep. Charles Rangel (news, bio, voting record), D-N.Y., is seated at lower left. (AP Photo/Bruce L> Flashnick)

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This is still my favorite picture of an endorsement in Harlem!



Democratic presidential candidate Gen. Wesley Clark (news - web sites), center, delivers a speech, surrounded by supporters including Congressman Charles Rangel, D-NY, right, at a campaign event in Harlem, Thursday, Dec. 11, 2003, in New York. At the endorsement rally, hosted by , Rangel and attended by by state and local officials and about 200 supporters, Rangel called the retired general 'the candidate who can beat the president.' (AP Photo/Mary Altaffer)

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. . .that is something we (Black voters) look for. Clinton has it, Clark has it.

Do seem to have served him well in this regard. He grew up during segregation, but learned his way and worked his way out of prejudice. Nice.

seeing politicians who look like they are at home with us.

Peace.
:toast:

. . .the people can see when someone is authenic when it comes to their community!

Say wha???

For the non church goers, Baptists raise their hands in the air like that and say, Amen. We wave it a little too. :7

just had to interject that. :)

I certainly hope Clark is our nominee.

:bounce:

For way too long.
They didn't even speak out when blacks were targeted
in Fla2K to erase their (usually Dem) votes and
successfully steal the election. They don't speak out
even though a huge percentage of black men are convicted
of felonies and then denied the right to vote, which is
another clear Pug strategy to use the American justic
system to erase people from the voting booth.
And I'm sorry to say that Gore didn't speak out about this
disgrace at Fla2K time.
He just ruled out the option of fighting to get that group of
"voices" heard, and three years later we see the results.

General Clark has showed concern for African Americans
right from the start.
It's so nice to see that in a Democrat for a change.

Amen

:kick:

to our church.....largest one in east bay.....Barbara Lee's district!

. . .General Clark has no Black supporter, you, I and many others on this board don't count. LOL

Barbara Lee?!

That would be some awsome photo of her and General Clark together.
I'm guessing she's been a political pariah since...she did
the right thing. What courage that woman has.

Charlie, Andrew and Wes. :)

. . .very comfortable.

Nice pics.

. . .there was an excellent passage in the current GQ about General Clark's ease with Black audiences.

Not stodgy and funerial like the other pictures from Harlem.

That is a truly funny photo for some reason. Reminds me of the rich lady at the dinner table (Steve Martin movie, the title escapes me right now) who insists on singing "Negro spirituals" to the Black maid.

Unbelievable.

. . .what is unbelievable about it. What are you trying to imply with your post. C'mon out and say it, we can take it. C'mon out and say it. There is no reason to imply anything.

Come now! Don't let partisanism put the horse blinders completely around your head.

You made the accusation not back it up. How is this pandering? What proof do you have that it is pandering. You made the accusation now back it up!

I rest my case.

PANDERING.

people. And, that church isn't in Harlem.

not Harlem. What is your beef against churches in Harlem anyway?

All black churches are in Harlem. :think:

Some are in Newark.. :evilgrin:

ARE NOT African-American....you sure have a lot to say about Dean's black support...and Clark's.

Problem is that you are currently talking to Black people who support Clark. Go back and read the posts.....duh!

We'll decide when we are being pandered to, not you!

Sounds like you've got a problem.

. . .don't you know that we cnnot think for ourselves.

Unless you uh, want to tell THEM they aren't African-American either?

*snicker* (you guys are just TOO easy)

BTW, I could put up a website tonight, "African Americans for Clark." That wouldn't prove that I'm black or that anyone other than myself frequents the website.

in the picture holding those signs?

the same white guys I saw in the photo holding the African Americans for Dean signs would it? I saw that photo a while back here on DU and thought it was strange that white guys would claim to be African Americans for Dean, then again they may think they are black because Dean told them they were.

Food for thought from….”JAFO”

If he had no knowledge of Baptist traditions and went in there and tried to act like he was "down" with the black folks in church, THAT would be pandering. Of course when Howie does it (and bet your bottom dollar he will) you won't say it's pandering. You'll find yet another colorful euphemism to describe what Howie does.

Also, the church isn't in Harlem.

why the reference to Harlem?

Just guessing.

It's a joke Scott. I couldn't resist. :7

kinda sad :(

They all look alike.

You should quit now.

It will be a "grassroots" event.

Just kidding. :)

Did you say pander?



Okay..I know I stole this from another DUer, but I laughed my ass off the first time.

:evilgrin:

I am glad to know it was you that I stole it from. It was the best ever. I will steal it in the future too, because it is the funniest damn thing I've seen in a long time.

btw...to the clark folks..he does look at ease here and it is nice to see that.

a Baptist. What? Are you afraid that that will resonate with black voters?

Very condecending and uncalled for. You just implied that they are in the role of the aformentioned black maid. I'm not sure if that was your intention but that's how it comes accross.

If you are white (and I'm guessing that you are) where do you get off critiquing Clarks interaction with Black people? I mean it's not like Clark tacitly endorsed the confederate flag or anything.

. . .feel that we Black people cannot think for ourselves. You see they think if Jesse Jackson Jr. endorses Dean we will all follow. . .very shallow of them.

You are the first person here that I'm am going to put on ignore.

As a black Clark supporter, I find your remarks offensive and racist. Are there no depths to which people will sink to "support" their candidate or attack his opponents?

:puke:

Completely comfortable.

P.S. Gert looks like she gettin' her praise on...

. . .I am sur this a nice day!

good and comfortable - they're politicians for crying out loud. That's what politicians do. They're like actors - it's their job.

This is a photo op - a candidate photo op.

Clark was reared Southern Baptist...! Give it a break.

I don't know about you Donna, but generally no one takes MY picture when I go to church. If this weren't a photo op he wouldn't have gone with Young and Rangel.

. . .when you are running for president, your picture is taken everywhere.

it's a photo op!!

Thanks for getting it, wndycty

. . .I am saying this is less of a photo op and more a result of what happens when you are a presidential candidate. Cameras are everywhere.

in church. I have dozens of pictures taken in church. Videos too.

"Like the hypocrite do...." - Jesus Christ

where would you suggest it be done? :crazy:

Baptists say, make a joyful noise unto the lord. Church is for praise and fellowship. That is what is happening in that church.

She also claims that their belief that sin cannot be avoided often turns to a lax attitude toward morality in general. No, Florinda certainly did not like the Baptists. I think Clark should have been more aware of how this photo-op might offend constituents such as the Pentecostals, Atheists, and Lutherans (for whom the very idea of individual expression in church is mortifying beyond belief. It could cost him IA, MN and WI). ;-)

is that Clark will survive it too. But, thanks for your concern.

Assemblies of God to be specific. We encourage "testifying," open praise and worship of the Lord, as long as your praise is from the heart and giving glory to God.

I've seen testimonials given. I was refering to a rift between Pentecostals and Baptists, as one of my friends' mom described.

The other Church I refered to was the Lutheran church in which I was raised. We follow a liturgy that is very similar to the Catholic mass and individual expression is forbidden.

May appreciate that Clark converted to Catholicism, then. Presbyterians may like that he attends a Presbyterian church in Little Rock. Jews already like that he is half-Jewish. Baptists look as though they like that he was raised a Baptist. Albanians seem to like that he saved their Muslim lives. Clark is all for freedom of religion.

in fact, i've been to a lot of different churches, including pentecostal and i have seen no indication that what you say is true.

but there is some friction between members of different denominations

there were photogs everywhere.

Oh wait, I never ran for Pres, did you?

looking that at ease....

if it's all acting,dean needs acting lessons....badly.

all discumbobulated. Clark grew up a Baptist. Don't be surprised if he breaks into a holy dance any minute now. :7

!

. . .do you care to enlighten?

That seems to be the current usage of the term here.

So maybe

Dean
Less
Committee


might be applicable.

Or this an empty stupid smear, thrown out there with both thoughtlessness and a touch of venom?

to gain membership. Or so I have heard.

. . .he can take it.

You should be thanking me.

. . .I will take you at your word for saying it was not a bash, but I truly suspect your motivation.

.

without coaching.

Was it pandering when Gore tried to sound like a southern preacher when addressing black audiences? Let's just be consistent here.

How'd they do that!

;)

Well I NEVER

We have something like 900 hymns and 5 different mass settings. I can go to any ELCA church in the US and find the same book sitting there. We love our hymnals!

then to stir the pot?

in spirit.

funny how just yesterday "The Supporters of Candidate Howard Dean"
were questioning the young endorsement.. because they hadnt yet seen a circus like the one Al Gore put on.

haha

well the difference is, the people in these pics - have class.
(which the opponent is lacking)
sorry your disappointed =)

It started out nice, WTF happened?

Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

to God?

Guess again.

On edit: Think more in terms of people at the board and what we do here in this forum.

reaping what one sows.

. . .rather than support their candidate.

Some people just like to piss on everything and leave their mark.

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I don't expect Dean to do photo ops in Church but I could be wrong, he is a master politician, and democratic candidates seem to like the Church angle lately, but then the Republicans started it IIRC.

second your post is going to be deleted, edit it and remove nicks.


:hi:

They might give me a demerit.

This thread turned ugly because many Dean threads have been turned ugly. It goes back and forth.

putting yourself on the enforcemet team? Or are you simply looking to justify actions you may feel just a tinge of guilt over?

Thanks for your concern though.

The usual........Dean supporters dropped in to pop their bullshit..........can't allow a good, positive thread about Clark around here, ya know..................

Was a big factor.

It was clearly funnier'n hell.

I know it was a while back. But it's such a good pic
and I haven't seen a real detailed transcript of this event.

He's a mighty fine Rangel mimic.
He did that yesterday.
Doh.

was there and saw it. Remarked it was what was going on in the picture.

did you have any idea that this was going to be a contentious thread?
:crazy:

because of the flack Dean got for the white folks in S.C. holding the signs African Americans for Dean.

for the insight, Jim. I was wandering because looked pretty benign, politics as usual to me. I couldn't figure out where all the flames were coming for, religious attacks, etc.

Clark is everything Bush is not. Clark is everything Bush says he is but is not. America needs someone in the W.H. that is strong and who goes after the terrorists because they are comming after America. If you don't believe that.

:hi:

Where are the white guys holding up "African-Americans for Clark" signs?

Ooops. Wrong campaign :hi:

:kick:

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